Astronet > Forumy > Obsuzhdenie publikacii Astroneta > Re: O lzhenauke, ee posledstviyah i ob oshibkah v nauke

A. M. Hazen · 7.03.2003 21:48

V stat'e A.M. Hazena obsuzhdayutsya voprosy bor'by s lzhenaukoi, a takzhe privodyatsya primery antinauchnogo, po mneniyu avtora, povedeniya ryada vedushih deyatelei nauki. Kritikuetsya izbrannyi specializirovannoi komissiei RAN put' bor'by s lzhenaukoi.
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A. V. Rykov · 12.03.2003 10:20

Osnovatel'nyi trud....S nim stoit znakomit'sya. Odnako... Odnako v nem otsutstvuet problematika sovremennoi fiziki. Nastoyashaya problematika, a ne ta, kotoraya vytekaet, vozmozhno, iz nevernyh aksiom i postulatov. Problematika sushestvuet uzhe v nachale puti: N'yuton ponimal, chto ego formuly est' tol'ko matematicheskoe opisanie yavlenii gravitacii i inercii. Opisanie! On vsegda pytalsya naiti ih mehanizm. Gde seichas mehanizm gravitacii i inercii? Da, v modelyah OTO (krivizna prostranstva+vremya). Eto chto - reshenie problemy? Net! Pochemu? Po toi prostoi prichine, chto telega v OTO postavlena vperedi loshadi: prostranstvo+vremya vperedi veshestva. Tol'ko veshestvo porozhdaet prostranstvo - vse nashi izmereniya proishodyat iz izmerenii rasstoyanii mezhdu veshestvennymi ob'ektami. Koordinaty mogut sushestvovat' tol'ko v matematike, voobrazhaemom, a ne real'nom, prostranstve. Tol'ko dinamika veshestva porozhdaet vremya. Vremya absolyutno po svoei sushnosti - menyayutsya tol'ko skorosti fizicheskih processov. Ne bud' absolyutnoi strely vremeni, ne bylo by vozmozhnosti dlya sravneniya skorostei processov v veshestve. V etom smysle STO, OTO - antimaterialisticheskie teorii. Nedarom desyatki-tysyachi lyudei zadayut sebe odin i tot zhe vopros - chto takoe gravitaciya? I dayut svoi otvet. Chasto nevernyi. Vot odin iz glavnyh porokov sovremennoi fiziki, kotoryi porozhdaet "lzhenauku". V rabote ssylki NET postavlennoi etoi problemy. NET osnov Prirody, iz kotoryh vytekaet KM, KED, KHD. Oni velikolepno OPISYVAYuT nablyudaemye yavleniya v duhe Ptolemeya. Avtor obzora tiho pomalkivaet ob etih real'nyh problemah. Upominaet Kopernika. Pravil'no! Net u nas sovremennogo Kopernika, kotoryi by INTUITIVNO ili s pomosh'yu VOOBRAZhENIYa dogadalsya by ob mehanizmah gravitacii, inercii, KM, KED i KHD. Moe mnenie - dostatochno rassmotret' aksiomu sredy sushestvovaniya veshestva v Prirode, kak mnogie real'nye problemy poznaniya mira stanut prozrachnymi i razreshimymi na osnove materializma, a ne idealizacii prostranstva+vremya i agnosticizma veroyatnostei. Za primerami daleko hodit' ne nado: est' Internet - "Priroda gravitacii" - http://wbabin.hypermart.net/paper/rykov1/rykov.htm Dokazatel'stvo - "Otklonenie luchei sveta v kosmose" http://www.worldspace.nm.ru/ru/articles/dev_r/dev_r.html S uvazheniem Anatolii

E. K. Gribanovskii · 12.03.2003 23:03

Legche li mne stalo ot ponimaniya, chto ne ya odin oshibsya, napravlyaya svoyu stat'yu v UFN? Otvet na nee: http://www.gek47.narod.ru/00.html Net, tol'ko gorech' ot vida obladatelei uchenyh zvanii i dolzhnostei, stoyashih stenoi vokrug svoei sinekury, scepivshihsya loktyami na zashite svoego nasizhennogo mesta. Bog im sud'ya. eugene

R. T. Faizullin · 16.03.2003 13:28

V voprose ob otvetstvennosti recenzenta polnost'yu soglasen s avtorom. Formal'naya recenziya, dazhe esli ona polozhitel'naya, okazyvaet razvrashayushee deistvie, kak na avtora, tak i na samogo recenzenta. Otsyuda i plyvut "ryby" i radeniya za "sobstvennyh" aspirantov v "sobstvennyh" zhurnalah. V kachestve primera, mozhno privesti obyazatel'nuyu chast' podpisi eksperta v sudebnoi ekspertize - "..Ob otvetstvennosti za dachu zavedomo lozhnogo zaklyucheniya po st 307 UK RF preduprezhdeny."

Yu. A. Sharin · 18.03.2003 8:48

Sredstvom bor'by s nedobrosovestnym referirovaniem mogli by stat' ne referiruemye na-uchnye zhurnaly. Esli by v Germanii v 1905 godu ne bylo ne referiruemogo zhurnala "Annalen der Physik", to mir, skoree vsego, nikogda by ne uznal o takom fizike kak Al'bert Einshtein. Pri sozdanii podobnogo zhurnala neobhodimo uchest' dve veshi: 1.Ogranichit' ob'em publikacii, prihodyashihsya na odnogo avtora v god, chtoby ogradit' zhurnal ot "grafomanov". 2.Chetko raspredelit' vse publikacii po tematike, chtoby zhurnal ne prevratilsya v "sbornuyu solyanku". Eti zadachi i dolzhny vozlagat'sya na redakciyu zhurnala. Cennost' zhe idei vyyavit vremya.

A. V. Rykov · 20.03.2003 11:01

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D.A. Ponomarev · 20.03.2003 23:20

http://www.scientific.ru/cgi-bin/dforum/forum.pl?forum=altern&id=1047566878

Gost' · 14.05.2005 11:59

uzhasno. Vam pokazali, chto vy zanimaetes' lzhenaukoi. a vy tut zhe vzyalis' za dal'neishuyu propagandu svoego breda. N uprochtite vy, chto napisano. primer'te k svoei "teorii vsego".

Gost' · 14.05.2005 14:08

Kosmicheskii forum: http://forum.cosmoport.com/

Gost' · 30.03.2006 11:37

Citata:

Osnovatel'nyi trud....S nim stoit znakomit'sya. Odnako... Odnako v nem otsutstvuet problematika sovremennoi fiziki. Nastoyashaya problematika, a ne ta, kotoraya vytekaet, vozmozhno, iz nevernyh aksiom i postulatov. Problematika sushestvuet uzhe v nachale puti: N'yuton ponimal, chto ego formuly est' tol'ko matematicheskoe opisanie yavlenii gravitacii i inercii. Opisanie! On vsegda pytalsya naiti ih mehanizm. Gde seichas mehanizm gravitacii i inercii? Da, v modelyah OTO (krivizna prostranstva+vremya). Eto chto - reshenie problemy? Net! Pochemu? Po toi prostoi prichine, chto telega v OTO postavlena vperedi loshadi: prostranstvo+vremya vperedi veshestva. Tol'ko veshestvo porozhdaet prostranstvo - vse nashi izmereniya proishodyat iz izmerenii rasstoyanii mezhdu veshestvennymi ob'ektami. Koordinaty mogut sushestvovat' tol'ko v matematike, voobrazhaemom, a ne real'nom, prostranstve. Tol'ko dinamika veshestva porozhdaet vremya. Vremya absolyutno po svoei sushnosti - menyayutsya tol'ko skorosti fizicheskih processov. Ne bud' absolyutnoi strely vremeni, ne bylo by vozmozhnosti dlya sravneniya skorostei processov v veshestve. V etom smysle STO, OTO - antimaterialisticheskie teorii. Nedarom desyatki-tysyachi lyudei zadayut sebe odin i tot zhe vopros - chto takoe gravitaciya? I dayut svoi otvet. Chasto nevernyi. Vot odin iz glavnyh porokov sovremennoi fiziki, kotoryi porozhdaet "lzhenauku". V rabote ssylki NET postavlennoi etoi problemy. NET osnov Prirody, iz kotoryh vytekaet KM, KED, KHD. Oni velikolepno OPISYVAYuT nablyudaemye yavleniya v duhe Ptolemeya. Avtor obzora tiho pomalkivaet ob etih real'nyh problemah. Upominaet Kopernika. Pravil'no! Net u nas sovremennogo Kopernika, kotoryi by INTUITIVNO ili s pomosh'yu VOOBRAZhENIYa dogadalsya by ob mehanizmah gravitacii, inercii, KM, KED i KHD. Moe mnenie - dostatochno rassmotret' aksiomu sredy sushestvovaniya veshestva v Prirode, kak mnogie real'nye problemy poznaniya mira stanut prozrachnymi i razreshimymi na osnove materializma, a ne idealizacii prostranstva+vremya i agnosticizma veroyatnostei. Za primerami daleko hodit' ne nado: est' Internet - "Priroda gravitacii" - http://wbabin.hypermart.net/paper/rykov1/rykov.htm Dokazatel'stvo - "Otklonenie luchei sveta v kosmose" http://www.worldspace.nm.ru/ru/articles/dev_r/dev_r.html S uvazheniem Anatolii

Gost' · 30.03.2006 11:37

Citata:

Osnovatel'nyi trud....S nim stoit znakomit'sya. Odnako... Odnako v nem otsutstvuet problematika sovremennoi fiziki. Nastoyashaya problematika, a ne ta, kotoraya vytekaet, vozmozhno, iz nevernyh aksiom i postulatov. Problematika sushestvuet uzhe v nachale puti: N'yuton ponimal, chto ego formuly est' tol'ko matematicheskoe opisanie yavlenii gravitacii i inercii. Opisanie! On vsegda pytalsya naiti ih mehanizm. Gde seichas mehanizm gravitacii i inercii? Da, v modelyah OTO (krivizna prostranstva+vremya). Eto chto - reshenie problemy? Net! Pochemu? Po toi prostoi prichine, chto telega v OTO postavlena vperedi loshadi: prostranstvo+vremya vperedi veshestva. Tol'ko veshestvo porozhdaet prostranstvo - vse nashi izmereniya proishodyat iz izmerenii rasstoyanii mezhdu veshestvennymi ob'ektami. Koordinaty mogut sushestvovat' tol'ko v matematike, voobrazhaemom, a ne real'nom, prostranstve. Tol'ko dinamika veshestva porozhdaet vremya. Vremya absolyutno po svoei sushnosti - menyayutsya tol'ko skorosti fizicheskih processov. Ne bud' absolyutnoi strely vremeni, ne bylo by vozmozhnosti dlya sravneniya skorostei processov v veshestve. V etom smysle STO, OTO - antimaterialisticheskie teorii. Nedarom desyatki-tysyachi lyudei zadayut sebe odin i tot zhe vopros - chto takoe gravitaciya? I dayut svoi otvet. Chasto nevernyi. Vot odin iz glavnyh porokov sovremennoi fiziki, kotoryi porozhdaet "lzhenauku". V rabote ssylki NET postavlennoi etoi problemy. NET osnov Prirody, iz kotoryh vytekaet KM, KED, KHD. Oni velikolepno OPISYVAYuT nablyudaemye yavleniya v duhe Ptolemeya. Avtor obzora tiho pomalkivaet ob etih real'nyh problemah. Upominaet Kopernika. Pravil'no! Net u nas sovremennogo Kopernika, kotoryi by INTUITIVNO ili s pomosh'yu VOOBRAZhENIYa dogadalsya by ob mehanizmah gravitacii, inercii, KM, KED i KHD. Moe mnenie - dostatochno rassmotret' aksiomu sredy sushestvovaniya veshestva v Prirode, kak mnogie real'nye problemy poznaniya mira stanut prozrachnymi i razreshimymi na osnove materializma, a ne idealizacii prostranstva+vremya i agnosticizma veroyatnostei. Za primerami daleko hodit' ne nado: est' Internet - "Priroda gravitacii" - http://wbabin.hypermart.net/paper/rykov1/rykov.htm Dokazatel'stvo - "Otklonenie luchei sveta v kosmose" http://www.worldspace.nm.ru/ru/articles/dev_r/dev_r.html S uvazheniem Anatolii