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Re: O lzhenauke, ee posledstviyah i ob oshibkah v nauke
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Osnovatel'nyi trud....S nim stoit znakomit'sya.
Odnako...
Odnako v nem otsutstvuet problematika sovremennoi fiziki. Nastoyashaya problematika, a ne ta, kotoraya vytekaet, vozmozhno, iz nevernyh aksiom i postulatov.
Problematika sushestvuet uzhe v nachale puti:
N'yuton ponimal, chto ego formuly est' tol'ko matematicheskoe opisanie yavlenii gravitacii i inercii. Opisanie! On vsegda pytalsya naiti ih mehanizm.
Gde seichas mehanizm gravitacii i inercii? Da, v modelyah OTO (krivizna prostranstva+vremya). Eto chto - reshenie problemy? Net! Pochemu? Po toi prostoi prichine, chto telega v OTO
postavlena vperedi loshadi: prostranstvo+vremya vperedi veshestva.
Tol'ko veshestvo porozhdaet prostranstvo - vse nashi izmereniya proishodyat iz izmerenii rasstoyanii mezhdu veshestvennymi ob'ektami. Koordinaty mogut sushestvovat' tol'ko v matematike,
voobrazhaemom, a ne real'nom, prostranstve.
Tol'ko dinamika veshestva porozhdaet vremya. Vremya absolyutno po svoei sushnosti - menyayutsya tol'ko skorosti fizicheskih processov. Ne bud' absolyutnoi strely vremeni, ne bylo by
vozmozhnosti dlya sravneniya skorostei processov v veshestve.
V etom smysle STO, OTO - antimaterialisticheskie teorii.
Nedarom desyatki-tysyachi lyudei zadayut sebe odin i tot zhe vopros - chto takoe gravitaciya? I dayut svoi otvet. Chasto nevernyi. Vot odin iz glavnyh porokov sovremennoi fiziki, kotoryi
porozhdaet "lzhenauku".
V rabote ssylki NET postavlennoi etoi problemy.
NET osnov Prirody, iz kotoryh vytekaet KM, KED, KHD. Oni velikolepno OPISYVAYuT nablyudaemye yavleniya v duhe Ptolemeya. Avtor obzora tiho pomalkivaet ob etih real'nyh problemah.
Upominaet Kopernika. Pravil'no! Net u nas sovremennogo Kopernika, kotoryi by INTUITIVNO ili s pomosh'yu VOOBRAZhENIYa dogadalsya by ob mehanizmah gravitacii, inercii, KM, KED i
KHD.
Moe mnenie - dostatochno rassmotret' aksiomu sredy sushestvovaniya veshestva v Prirode, kak mnogie real'nye problemy poznaniya mira stanut prozrachnymi i razreshimymi na osnove materializma,
a ne idealizacii prostranstva+vremya i agnosticizma veroyatnostei. Za primerami daleko hodit' ne nado: est' Internet - "Priroda gravitacii" -
http://wbabin.hypermart.net/paper/rykov1/rykov.htm
Dokazatel'stvo - "Otklonenie luchei sveta v kosmose"
http://www.worldspace.nm.ru/ru/articles/dev_r/dev_r.html
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12.03.2003 23:03 |
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Legche li mne stalo ot ponimaniya, chto ne ya odin oshibsya, napravlyaya svoyu stat'yu v UFN? Otvet na nee:
http://www.gek47.narod.ru/00.html
Net, tol'ko gorech' ot vida obladatelei uchenyh zvanii i dolzhnostei, stoyashih stenoi vokrug svoei sinekury, scepivshihsya loktyami na zashite svoego nasizhennogo mesta.
Bog im sud'ya.
eugene
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Re: O lzhenauke, ee posledstviyah i ob oshibkah v nauke
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16.03.2003 13:28 |
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V voprose ob otvetstvennosti recenzenta polnost'yu soglasen s avtorom. Formal'naya recenziya, dazhe esli ona polozhitel'naya, okazyvaet razvrashayushee deistvie, kak na avtora, tak
i na samogo recenzenta. Otsyuda i plyvut "ryby" i radeniya za "sobstvennyh" aspirantov v "sobstvennyh" zhurnalah.
V kachestve primera, mozhno privesti obyazatel'nuyu chast' podpisi eksperta v sudebnoi ekspertize -
"..Ob otvetstvennosti za dachu zavedomo lozhnogo zaklyucheniya po st 307 UK RF preduprezhdeny."
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Re: O lzhenauke, ee posledstviyah i ob oshibkah v nauke
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18.03.2003 8:48 |
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Sredstvom bor'by s nedobrosovestnym referirovaniem mogli by stat' ne referiruemye na-uchnye zhurnaly. Esli by v Germanii v 1905 godu ne bylo ne referiruemogo zhurnala "Annalen
der Physik", to mir, skoree vsego, nikogda by ne uznal o takom fizike kak Al'bert Einshtein.
Pri sozdanii podobnogo zhurnala neobhodimo uchest' dve veshi:
1.Ogranichit' ob'em publikacii, prihodyashihsya na odnogo avtora v god, chtoby ogradit' zhurnal ot "grafomanov".
2.Chetko raspredelit' vse publikacii po tematike, chtoby zhurnal ne prevratilsya v "sbornuyu solyanku".
Eti zadachi i dolzhny vozlagat'sya na redakciyu zhurnala. Cennost' zhe idei vyyavit vremya.
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Re: n KFEMYuS'E, EE ONYaKEDYaRBH'U H NA N'HA'YuU B MYuS'E
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Re: O lzhenauke, ee posledstviyah i ob oshibkah v nauke
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20.03.2003 23:20 |
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http://www.scientific.ru/cgi-bin/dforum/forum.pl?forum=altern&id=1047566878
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14.05.2005 11:59 |
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uzhasno. Vam pokazali, chto vy zanimaetes' lzhenaukoi. a vy tut zhe vzyalis' za dal'neishuyu propagandu svoego breda. N uprochtite vy, chto napisano. primer'te k svoei "teorii
vsego".
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Kosmicheskii forum:
http://forum.cosmoport.com/
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Osnovatel'nyi trud....S nim stoit znakomit'sya.
Odnako...
Odnako v nem otsutstvuet problematika sovremennoi fiziki. Nastoyashaya problematika, a ne ta, kotoraya vytekaet, vozmozhno, iz nevernyh aksiom i postulatov.
Problematika sushestvuet uzhe v nachale puti:
N'yuton ponimal, chto ego formuly est' tol'ko matematicheskoe opisanie yavlenii gravitacii i inercii. Opisanie! On vsegda pytalsya naiti ih mehanizm.
Gde seichas mehanizm gravitacii i inercii? Da, v modelyah OTO (krivizna prostranstva+vremya). Eto chto - reshenie problemy? Net! Pochemu? Po toi prostoi
prichine, chto telega v OTO
postavlena vperedi loshadi: prostranstvo+vremya vperedi veshestva.
Tol'ko veshestvo porozhdaet prostranstvo - vse nashi izmereniya proishodyat iz izmerenii rasstoyanii mezhdu veshestvennymi ob'ektami. Koordinaty mogut
sushestvovat' tol'ko v matematike,
voobrazhaemom, a ne real'nom, prostranstve.
Tol'ko dinamika veshestva porozhdaet vremya. Vremya absolyutno po svoei sushnosti - menyayutsya tol'ko skorosti fizicheskih processov. Ne bud' absolyutnoi strely
vremeni, ne bylo by
vozmozhnosti dlya sravneniya skorostei processov v veshestve.
V etom smysle STO, OTO - antimaterialisticheskie teorii.
Nedarom desyatki-tysyachi lyudei zadayut sebe odin i tot zhe vopros - chto takoe gravitaciya? I dayut svoi otvet. Chasto nevernyi. Vot odin iz glavnyh porokov
sovremennoi fiziki, kotoryi
porozhdaet "lzhenauku".
V rabote ssylki NET postavlennoi etoi problemy.
NET osnov Prirody, iz kotoryh vytekaet KM, KED, KHD. Oni velikolepno OPISYVAYuT nablyudaemye yavleniya v duhe Ptolemeya. Avtor obzora tiho pomalkivaet ob
etih real'nyh problemah.
Upominaet Kopernika. Pravil'no! Net u nas sovremennogo Kopernika, kotoryi by INTUITIVNO ili s pomosh'yu VOOBRAZhENIYa dogadalsya by ob mehanizmah gravitacii,
inercii, KM, KED i
KHD.
Moe mnenie - dostatochno rassmotret' aksiomu sredy sushestvovaniya veshestva v Prirode, kak mnogie real'nye problemy poznaniya mira stanut prozrachnymi i
razreshimymi na osnove materializma,
a ne idealizacii prostranstva+vremya i agnosticizma veroyatnostei. Za primerami daleko hodit' ne nado: est' Internet - "Priroda gravitacii" -
http://wbabin.hypermart.net/paper/rykov1/rykov.htm
Dokazatel'stvo - "Otklonenie luchei sveta v kosmose"
http://www.worldspace.nm.ru/ru/articles/dev_r/dev_r.html
S uvazheniem
Anatolii |
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Naverh |
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Citata: |
Osnovatel'nyi trud....S nim stoit znakomit'sya.
Odnako...
Odnako v nem otsutstvuet problematika sovremennoi fiziki. Nastoyashaya problematika, a ne ta, kotoraya vytekaet, vozmozhno, iz nevernyh aksiom i postulatov.
Problematika sushestvuet uzhe v nachale puti:
N'yuton ponimal, chto ego formuly est' tol'ko matematicheskoe opisanie yavlenii gravitacii i inercii. Opisanie! On vsegda pytalsya naiti ih mehanizm.
Gde seichas mehanizm gravitacii i inercii? Da, v modelyah OTO (krivizna prostranstva+vremya). Eto chto - reshenie problemy? Net! Pochemu? Po toi prostoi
prichine, chto telega v OTO
postavlena vperedi loshadi: prostranstvo+vremya vperedi veshestva.
Tol'ko veshestvo porozhdaet prostranstvo - vse nashi izmereniya proishodyat iz izmerenii rasstoyanii mezhdu veshestvennymi ob'ektami. Koordinaty mogut
sushestvovat' tol'ko v matematike,
voobrazhaemom, a ne real'nom, prostranstve.
Tol'ko dinamika veshestva porozhdaet vremya. Vremya absolyutno po svoei sushnosti - menyayutsya tol'ko skorosti fizicheskih processov. Ne bud' absolyutnoi strely
vremeni, ne bylo by
vozmozhnosti dlya sravneniya skorostei processov v veshestve.
V etom smysle STO, OTO - antimaterialisticheskie teorii.
Nedarom desyatki-tysyachi lyudei zadayut sebe odin i tot zhe vopros - chto takoe gravitaciya? I dayut svoi otvet. Chasto nevernyi. Vot odin iz glavnyh porokov
sovremennoi fiziki, kotoryi
porozhdaet "lzhenauku".
V rabote ssylki NET postavlennoi etoi problemy.
NET osnov Prirody, iz kotoryh vytekaet KM, KED, KHD. Oni velikolepno OPISYVAYuT nablyudaemye yavleniya v duhe Ptolemeya. Avtor obzora tiho pomalkivaet ob
etih real'nyh problemah.
Upominaet Kopernika. Pravil'no! Net u nas sovremennogo Kopernika, kotoryi by INTUITIVNO ili s pomosh'yu VOOBRAZhENIYa dogadalsya by ob mehanizmah gravitacii,
inercii, KM, KED i
KHD.
Moe mnenie - dostatochno rassmotret' aksiomu sredy sushestvovaniya veshestva v Prirode, kak mnogie real'nye problemy poznaniya mira stanut prozrachnymi i
razreshimymi na osnove materializma,
a ne idealizacii prostranstva+vremya i agnosticizma veroyatnostei. Za primerami daleko hodit' ne nado: est' Internet - "Priroda gravitacii" -
http://wbabin.hypermart.net/paper/rykov1/rykov.htm
Dokazatel'stvo - "Otklonenie luchei sveta v kosmose"
http://www.worldspace.nm.ru/ru/articles/dev_r/dev_r.html
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