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Re[11]: Otricatel'naya massa: bred ili net?
29.05.2007 13:08 | Dmitrii Docenko
Po povodu etih testov.
1. Para iz fotona. Da, gravitacionnye effekty maly i obychno prenebrezhimy. No pri hranenii chastic v nakopitel'nom kol'ce (storage ring) magnity, iskrivlyayushie ih traektoriyu, uchityvayut gravitacionnoe prityazhenie Zemli (chasticy hranyatsya dolgo i upali by v gr. pole Zemli). Ya ne znayu (i ostavlyu na vas proverku), hranyat li antiveshestvo v takih kol'cah, ili (posle zamedleniya) v magnitnyh lovushkah. Esli v lovushkah, to tam effekty gravitacii maly.
2. Mikrovolnovoi fon. Dlya menya etot argument, kstati, namnogo sil'nee. Posle Bol'shogo Vzryva veshestvo bylo relyativistskim i ego gravitacionnoe vzaimodeistvie bylo neznachitel'no. Dazhe potom, kogda protony stali nerelyativistskimi, vzaimoottalkivanie "+" i "-" gravitacionnyh zaryadov ne dolzhno bylo proyavlyatsya zaschet vysokogo davleniya fotonnoi "zhidkosti". Takim obrazom, do izlucheniya mikrovolnovogo fona znachitel'noi separacii gravitacionnyh zaryadov proizoiti ne moglo. A eto oznachaet, chto na rasstoyaniyah, bol'shih rasstoyanii mezhdu chastic, gravitaciya byla by prakticheski "otklyuchena" zaschet kompensacii "+" i "-" zaryadov. To est' kartina byla by drugoi po sravneniyu s etoi:
http://background.uchicago.edu/~whu/intermediate/intermediate.html
Raznica zaklyuchaetsya v tom, chto v prisutstvii makroskopicheskogo gravitacionnogo vzaimodeistviya fotony iz bolee plotnyh oblastei teryayut chast' energii v rezul'tate gravitacionnogo krasnogo smesheniya. Etot effekt sravnim po velichine so vtorym effektom, formiruyushim anizotropiyu reliktovogo izlucheniya - chto bolee plotnye oblasti takzhe i bolee goryachie.
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