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Re: Strannye kamni Marsa (Spirit, Opportunity).
11.11.2007 7:55 | O. A. Bykovskii
Na etih snimkah mikroskop Spirita pokazyvaet poverhnost' kamnya imeet mikrootverstiya (obolochka kamnei po fotografiyam 3-5 sm, freza uglublyalas' ne bolee 1 sm). Neobhodimo fotografirovat' kamni sever-yug, izuchat' podoshvu (nalichie harakternoi odnotipnoi podoshvy). http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...UP2400L5M1.JPG Poverhnost' kamnya pod mikroskopom (ne etogo kamnya, ryadom). http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...UP2936M2M1.JPG Spirit Sep 29, 2007 ( sol 1329) http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1362/...c0d9bd.jpg?v=0 Poskol'ku gipoteza zhizni na Marse kasaetsya temy po ponyatnym prichinam spornoi, to neskol'ko otzyvov, prichem dlinnye obsuzhdeniya tak zhe kak prishedshie po mylu mnoi ne privodyatsya. Mneniya raznye. Tak vyglyadit obsuzhdenie gipotezy marsianskoi kamenoi zhizni (prakticheski) na forumah, Novosti Kosmonavtiki i TONOS. Eto chto by po vozmozhnosti izbezhat' povtorenii, mneniyami. . Novosti Kosmonavtiki. //////Mne tak, naprimer, eta gipoteza ochen' nravit'sya i ochen' by hotelos', chto by ona hotya by v kakoi-to chasti okazalas' verna. V sporah rozhdaetsya istina, mozhet i zdes' rodit'sya. Vopros za schet kakoi energii idet razvitie ob'ektov?////// /////6peg xoTb u pa3gpa>kaeT - Ho cTuMy/\upyeT...///// //////A u menya v chem-to Bykovskii dazhe vyzyvaet uvazhenie. Vyskazyvat' svoi idei kogda obshestvo vokrug vertit pal'cem u viska - eto nado smelost' imet'. Ne kazhdyi reshitsya protiv vetra .. . Konechno, v zhizn' kamnei mne i samomu chto-to ne ochen' veritsya. Proishodyashemu na kartinkah mozhno naiti bolee real'nye ob'yasneniya. No, svet velik, vsyakoe mozhet byt'... Fenomen zhizni my imeli udovol'stvie nablyudat' tol'ko na odnoi planete i eto ne dostatochnaya dlya statistiki vyborka. Pochemu my obobshaem, chto zhizn' na Marse (esli ona tam est') dolzhna byt' pohozha na zemnuyu po forme i po metabolizmu?///// /////Sverhnovyi pisal(a): Konechno, v zhizn' kamnei mne i samomu chto-to ne ochen' veritsya...///// ////Vot na glazah, da, proishodit (proizoshla? ) celaya real'naya nauchnaya revolyuciya, svyazannaya, kstati, s "zhizn'yu na Marse", a obsuzhdaetsya pochemu-to vsyakii okolooprovergatel'skii hlam...//// /////Ne, ya ne protiv vnimatel'nogo vglyadyvaniya v videoinformaciyu s Marsa, no eto vse deistvitel'no tol'ko "zhizn' kamnei", ne bolee togo Interesnaya, da, no "zhizn'yu" yavlyayushayasya tol'ko v metaforicheskom smysle////// /////Ne vse chto dvizhetsya e ... zhivet...////// Mnenie moderatora NK /////Vse bol'she cheshutsya ruki perekinut' etu temu v ChD. Prosto nikak ne mogu opredelit' - boleznennye eto posty ili ne ochen'.////// Forum TONOS //////Est' logika, kotoroi sleduet trezvo priderzhivt'sya////// /////Eslib zhizn' byla sama NASA uzhe by po teleku zakrichala chto mol zhizn' nashli i t.d. ni chego podobnogo vodu by otyskat', a oni pro zhizn' bazaryat.///// /////Spasibo za foto - interesno bylo posmotret'.///// ////Interesnaya tochka zreniya. Vyglyadit krasivo, no somnitel'na.///// //////Sudya po krasote, eto nesomnenno zhizn' ili nechto shozhee s neyu. Nekaya forma organizacii materii privodyashaya k mestnomu snizheniyu entropii. Nekotorye iz etih sushestv yavno samobytny i dolzhny rassmatrivat'sya kak lichnosti. Neobhodimo vvesti moratorii na lyuboe vozdeistvie nashei tehniki sposobnoe povredit' kamennuyu zhizn' Marsa. Sudya po namekam soderzhashimisya v "Ural'skih skazah" Bazhova , nechto podobnoe dolzhno byt' i u nas na Zemle. A.Il'in, zhurnalist, "Yunyi tehnik".////// Nu nakonec-to! Est' lyudi, kotorye ne bez osnovanii schitayut, chto na Marse otkryta zhizn', i dovol'no burnaya. Kogda ne znaesh' chto ishesh' otkroi poshire glaza, i uvidish'. Ooo, Dina, oni tam stol'ko interesnogo na fotografiyah razglyadeli - zakachaesh'sya. Chital, kak priklyuchencheskuyu povest'. Kraine smelaya gipoteza, s etogo ugla zhizn' na Marse ne rassmatrivali.... Dochital Nu voobshe ideya real'naya. hotya vot tot fakt, chto zhizn' ne obyazana byt' chelovekoobraznoi, et oni pravy. Nado budet v drugih mestah poiskat' podtverzhdeniya.. a razve kamni s Marsa ne izuchalis'? Imho bred, potomuchto ser'eznye issledovateli obyazatel'no podelilis' by svoimi sobrazheniyami, pochemu do sih por eto ne bylo obnaruzhenol, kakie osobennosti zhizni ne pozvolli ee uvidet' pod mikroskopom. Hotya ne, stat'ya tru. Interesno. Stat'ya ponravilas'. HZ vse eto konechno, no vot stereotipchikov u nas hvataet. A fotki i vpryam' zabavnye. mda.....sat'ya napisana yavno ne uchenym chelovekom, a vsego lish' "lyubitelem" strashilok i inoplanetnyh zahvatchikov v stile peredachi "neob'yasnimo, no fakt" skazhu chestno, vs ne chitala,lish' probezhala mel'kom po tekstu. srazu brosilis' v glaza "professionalizm" i "obrazovannost'" vayatelya etogo genial'nogo proizvedeniya . "ne kto zhe ne stanet utverzhdat',".....afftar, uchi grammatiku! P.S. navernoe vse zhe stoit prochitat' stat'yu vsyu, eto opredelnno skrasit trudovye budni na nedelyu kak minimum obaldnnye fotki s marsa Nauchis' chitat' mezhdu strok i ty poznaesh' istinu! Novyi vzglyad na zhizn' na Marse, zastavlyaet zadumat'sya... V stat'e O. Bykovskogo privedeno mnogo interesneishih fotografii poverhnosti Marsa Etot pol'zovatel' skazal Spasibo Severyanin za eto poleznoe soobshenie: Soprovozhdaetsya galereei fotografii i s analizom nalichiya priznakov zhizni na Marse. Hot' i dlinno - na 4-h stranicah, no, po-moemu, interesno. I ne obyazatel'no so vsem napisannym soglashat'sya! Esli podhodit' k stat'e s filosovskoi tochki zreniya, to vozmozhno vse i eta teoriya imeet pravo na svoe sushestvovanie, hotya dlya sebya ya tak i ne ponyal ubeditel'nogo principa biokamneobrazovaniya. Smushaet drugoe: fotografii sdelany kak ya ponyal marsohodom, radius deistviya marsohoda ne velik, a stalo byt' fotografii mozhno schitat' chastnym sluchaem marsianskogo lanadshafta. Priroda dannyh kamnei ne mozhet (iz prochitannogo materiala) rasprostranyat'sya na vsyu poverhnost' planety. Lyubuyu gepotizu nado proveryat', a dlya etogo nuzhny celenapravlennye mery. Sudya po fotografiyam, chto-to zhivoe tam yavno est' Vse-taki, prochitaite stat'yu Kakaya zhizn', nu ya ponmayu v NASSA, tam preimushestvenno ne biologi, im golovu morochat
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