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Novyi metod vychisleniya tochnyh rasstoyanii do dalekih galaktik.

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V. M. Usachev
Novyi metod vychisleniya tochnyh rasstoyanii do dalekih galaktik. 11.01.2008 1:05

Uvazhaemye satronomy-professionaly, lyubiteli i diletanty,ya obrashayus' teper' zdes' k vam tol'ko potomu, chto ne imeyu prava ne soobshit' vam rezul'taty, poluchennye mnoi v processe razvitiya teorii prostranstva ("fizicheskogo vakuuma") kak ob'ektivno real'oi kondensirovannoi sredy - IDEAL'NO' KVANTOVO' ZhIDKOSTI (v dal'neishem - IKZh).

Kazalos' by, eta teoriya ne imeet nikakogo otnosheniya k nablyudatel'noi astronomii i astrofizike. No eto ne tak. Delo v tom, chto razrabotka mnoyu teorii kvantov EMV (fotonov)kak kvazichastic IKZh prostranstva privela k fvyvodu formul poteri energii fotonov pri svobodnom dvizheniiv etoi zhidkosti, v zavisimosti ot vremeni ih dvizheniya, a znachit, v zavisimosti ot proidennogo imi rasstoyaniya.

Okazalos', chto ogromnye velichiny kosmologicheskogo faktora z dlyaizlucheniya dalekih galaktik nikak ne svyazanys "doppler-effektom" gipoteticheskogo relyativistskogo "rasshireniya vselennoi" (kotorogo, poprostu,nesushestvuet), a zavisyat tol'ko ot rasstoyaniya mezhdu galaktikamiSTACIONARNO' VSELENNO' i chastoty kvantov pri izluchenii v materinskoi galaktike.

Eto, v svoyu ochered', oznachaet, chto mozhno s ochen' bol'shoi tochnost'yu opredelyat' rasstoyaniya do samyh dalekih galaktik, esli izmereno smeshenie hotya by odnoi etalonnoi linii v spektre izlucheniya konkretnoi galaktiki. Prichem, chem dal'she galaktika, tem tochnee budet opredelyat'sya rasstoyanie do nee, tak kak pri uvelichenii rasstoyaniya umen'shaetsya iskazhenie galakticheskogo krasnogo smesheniya doppler-effektom ot pekulyarnyh skorostei otnositel'nogo dvizheniya galaktik.

Itak, ne ostanavlivayas', poka na izlozhenii moeiteorii kvantov EMV v IKZh prostranstva srazu dayu prakticheskie rezul'taty primeneniya etoi teorii dlya bystrogo i tochnogo opredeleniya rasstoyanii do dalekih galaktik.

Iz teoreticheski vyvedennyh ranee formul (sm. http://usachevvm.narod.ru/1/01.htm )

y =y Kt(2T t) ..................................................................(3) i
T=(y/K)^1/2........................................................................(6)
nahodim, chto
y= y 2t(Ky)^1/2+Kt^2 , gde:
y prinimaemaya na Zemle chastota kvanta izlucheniya iz nablyudaemoi galaktiki;
y chastota (etalonnaya) etogo kvanta v moment izlucheniya v nablyudaemoi galaktike;
t vremya prohozhdeniya kvanta ot nablyudaemoi galaktiki do Zemli;
K=0,535*10^-20 sek^-3 postoyannyi koefficient im. P.L. Kapicy (sm. ssylki);
T vremya zhizni kvanta pri svobodnom dvizhenii v IKZh prostranstva (ot momenta E=hy do polnogo rasseyaniya im energii E=0).
Znaya po etalonnym solnechnym spektram, kakoi dolzhna byt' chastota y kvanta pri izluchenii my mozhem rasschitat' po ukazannym formulam, kakimi dolzhny byt' prinimaemye na Zemle chastoty etih kvantov ot zvezd i galaktik, nahodyashihsya na lyubyh interesuyushih nas rasstoyaniyah ot Zemli.
Sostavim raschetnuyu tablicu prinimaemyh chastot dlya dvuh kvantov, izluchaemyh s granichnymi chastotami vidimogo diapazona EMV i dvuh kvantov, izluchaemyh s etalonnymi chastotami ul'trafioletovogo diapazona. Proidennye rasstoyaniya dlya vseh kvantov budem brat' ravnymi ot 0,001 milliarda svetovyh let do sootvetstvuyushego vremeni zhizni kazhdogo iz vybrannyh nami kvantov: [y=0,41;T=8,77], [y=0,76;T=11,94], [y=1,57;T=17,17], [y=1,93;T=19,05]. (Vse tablichnye velichiny chastot ukazany v gercah bez mnozhitelya 10^15, a velichiny vremeni v milliardah let.)

Raschetnaya tablica chastot (y) i otnositel'nyh krasnyhsmeshenii z=(y-y)/y.

t .....[y;z]..[y;z]...[y;z]......[y;z].

0,001[0,4099;0,00023][0,7599;0,00017][1,5698;0,000116][1,9340;0,01030]

0,01..[0,409066;0,0023][0,7587;0,0017][ 1,5682;0,00117][1,9322;0,00105]

0,1[0,400706;0,0232][ 0,7473;0,017 ][ 1,5518; 0,0118 ][ 1,9138; 0,0107 ]

1,0[0,321900;0,2740][0,6381;0,1910][ 1,3924; 0,1280 ][1,7343; 0,11500]

Ostanovimsya poka na rasstoyanii v 1 milliard svetovyh let dlya togo, chtoby proanalizirovat' sootvetstvie nashih teoreticheskih raschetnyh rezul'tatov tem dannym nablyudatel'noi astronomii, kotorymi ona raspolagala k momentu "otkrytiya zakona Habbla" v tridcatyh godah proshlogo veka.

Togda astronomy mogli nablyudat' tol'ko v diapazone vidimyh svetovyh kvantov

( ot 0,76 do 0,41 )*10^15 Gc.
Po tablice vidno, chto v etom diapazone krasnoe smeshenie dlya rasstoyanii do 1 milliarda svetovyh let uvelichivalos' pochti pryamo proporcional'no rasstoyaniyu dlya vsego diapazona vidimyh chelovecheskim glazom fotonov.

Tot fakt, chto krasnoe smeshenie umen'shalos' s uvelicheniem chastoty izlucheniya, ne byl zamechen nablyudatelyami po dvum prichinam. Vo-pervyh, potomu chto krasnye fotony uzhe s rasstoyaniya v 1 million svetovyh let uhodili v nenablyudaemyi infrakrasnyi diapazon, iz-za chego diapazon nablyudaemyh chastot eshe bolee suzhalsya. Vo- vtoryh, izmenenie prinimaemyh chastot zavisyashih ot rasstoyaniya byli tak maly, chto ochen' sil'no iskazhalis' doppler-effektom ot pekulyarnyh skorostei istochnikov izluchenii.

Poetomu, E. Habbl vyskazal gipotezu, chto galakticheskoe krasnoe smeshenie pryamo proporcional'no rasstoyaniyu do nablyudaemoi galaktiki.
Poetomu relyativisty reshili, chto galakticheskoe krasnoe smeshenie ob'yasnyaetsya doppler-effektom ot ravnomernogo rasshireniya vselennoi v kazhdoi tochke prostranstva.

V dal'neishem, s uvelicheniem pronicayushei sily teleskopov i rasshireniem diapazona prinimaemyh chastot na vsyu shkalu EMV stalo ochevidnym nesootvetstvie nablyudaemyh smeshenii zakonu Habbla i relyativistskoi kosmologii.
K sozhaleniyu, relyativisty do sih por ne speshat ni s shirokim obnarodovaniem, ni s priznaniem etih ochevidnyh faktov.
Teper' polnost'yu gotova tablica galakticheskih krasnyh smeshenii dlya fotonov, izluchaemyh v materinskih galaktikah s chastotami:
1) y'=0,41*10^15 Gc - krasnyi (polnoe vremya zhizni T=8,77 milliardov let);
2) y'=0,76*10^15 Gc - fioletovyi (polnoe vremya zhizni T=11,94 milliardov let);
3) y'=1,57*10^15 Gc - ul'trafioletovyi (polnoe vremya zhizni T=17,17 milliardov let);
4) y'=1,93*10^15 Gc - ul'trafioletovyi (polnoe vremya zhizni T=19,05 milliardov let).
Mozhno ee rassmotret' i proanalizirovat'.

Raschetnaya tablica chastot (y) i otnositel'nyh krasnyhsmeshenii z=(y-y)/y.
(Vse tablichnye velichiny chastot ukazany v gercah bez mnozhitelya 10^15, a velichiny vremeni v milliardah let)

t .....[y; z][y; z].....[y; z]........[y; z].

0,001.[0,4099; 0,00023][0,7599;0,00017][1,5698;0,000116][1,9342; 0,0103]

0,01[0,40907; 0,0023][0,7587; 0,0017][ 1,5682; 0,00117][1,9322; 0,00105]

0,1..[0,40071; 0,0232][0,7473; 0,0170][ 1,5518; 0,0118 ][ 1,9138; 0,0107 ]

1,0..[0,32190; 0,2740][0,6381; 0,1910][ 1,3924; 0,1280 ][1,7343; 0,11500]

2,0..[ 0,2444; 0,6780 ][0,5268; 0,4430][ 1,2255; 0,2810][ 1,5495; 0,2483 ]

3,0..[0,17754; 1,3429 ][0,3782; 1,0095][1,06895; 0,4687][1,3731; 0,4086 ]

4,0..[0,121137; 2,3846][0,3362; 1,2606][0,9236; 0,69987][1,2073; 0,6021 ]

5,0..[0,07583; 4,40683][0,2569; 1,9583][0,7887; 0,99062][1,0523; 0,83408]

6,0..[0,04099; 9,00244][0,1882; 3,0383][0,66441; 1,3930][0,9078; 1,13062]

7,0..[0,01678; 23,4338][0,1302; 4,8372][0,5508; 1,85040][0,77407; 1,4987]

8,0..[0,003232; 125,86][0,08287; 8,171][0,4478; 2,50603][0,65098; 1,9712]

8,77....[0,00; beskonechn.]

9,0[0,0462; 15,461][0,3555; 3,14163][0,53854; 2,5838]

10,0 [0,02015; 36,72][0,2738; 4,73411][0,43674; 3,4191]

11,0..[0,00480; 157,3][0,2028; 6,74162][0,3456; 4,58449]

11,94[0,00; beskonech.]

12,0..[0,1424; 10,0253][0,2651; 6,28027]

13,0..[0,0927; 15,9363][0,19529; 8,8827]

14,0..[0,05337; 28,236][0,13612; 13,209]

15,0..[0,0253; 61,0553][0,08861; 20,828]

16,0..[0,00757; 206,40][0,0502; 37,4462]

17,0..[0,000492;3190,1][0,0180; 106,222]

17,17[0,00; beskonechn.]

18,0[0,00645; 298,87]

19,0[0,00012; 16082]

19,05..[0,00; beskonech.]

Uvazhaemye chitateli, proshu zadavat' lyubye voprosy, svyazannye s nedoponimaniem ili ne soglasiem s teoriei i ee tablichnymi rezul'tatami.

Naverh
V. M. Usachev
Re: Novyi metod vychisleniya tochnyh rasstoyanii do dalekih galaktik. 11.01.2008 1:32

K sozhaleniyu, v pervom soobshenii tablica otrazilas' iskazhenno-nechitaemoi. Probuyu ispravit' v etom soobshenii. Uvazhaemye astronomy-professionaly, lyubiteli i diletanty, ya obrashayus' teper' zdes' k vam tol'ko potomu, chto ne imeyu prava ne soobshit' vam rezul'taty, poluchennye mnoi v processe razvitiya teorii prostranstva ("fizicheskogo vakuuma") kak ob'ektivno real'noi kondensirovannoi sredy - IDEAL'NO' KVANTOVO' ZhIDKOSTI (v dal'neishem - IKZh). Kazalos' by, eta teoriya ne imeet nikakogo otnosheniya k nablyudatel'noi astronomii i astrofizike. No eto ne tak. Delo v tom, chto razrabotka mnoyu teorii kvantov EMV (fotonov) kak kvazichastic IKZh prostranstva privela k vyvodu formul poteri energii fotonov pri svobodnom dvizhenii v etoi zhidkosti, v zavisimosti ot vremeni ih dvizheniya, a znachit, v zavisimosti ot proidennogo imi rasstoyaniya. Okazalos', chto ogromnye velichiny kosmologicheskogo faktora z dlya izlucheniya dalekih galaktik nikak ne svyazany s "doppler-effektom" gipoteticheskogo relyativistskogo "rasshireniya vselennoi" (kotorogo, poprostu, ne sushestvuet), a zavisyat tol'ko ot rasstoyaniya mezhdu galaktikami STACIONARNO' VSELENNO' i chastoty kvantov pri izluchenii v materinskoi galaktike. Eto, v svoyu ochered', oznachaet, chto mozhno s ochen' bol'shoi tochnost'yu opredelyat' rasstoyaniya do samyh dalekih galaktik, esli izmereno smeshenie hotya by odnoi etalonnoi linii v spektre izlucheniya konkretnoi galaktiki. Prichem, chem dal'she galaktika, tem tochnee budet opredelyat'sya rasstoyanie do nee, tak kak pri uvelichenii rasstoyaniya umen'shaetsya iskazhenie galakticheskogo krasnogo smesheniya doppler-effektom ot pekulyarnyh skorostei otnositel'nogo dvizheniya galaktik. Itak, ne ostanavlivayas', poka na izlozhenii moei teorii kvantov EMV v IKZh prostranstva srazu dayu prakticheskie rezul'taty primeneniya etoi teorii dlya bystrogo i tochnogo opredeleniya rasstoyanii do dalekih galaktik. Iz teoreticheski vyvedennyh ranee formul (sm. http://usachevvm.narod.ru/1/01.htm ) y =y Kt(2T t) ..................................................................(3) i T=(y/K)^1/2........................................................................(6) nahodim, chto y= y 2t(Ky)^1/2+Kt^2 , gde: y prinimaemaya na Zemle chastota kvanta izlucheniya iz nablyudaemoi galaktiki; y chastota (etalonnaya) etogo kvanta v moment izlucheniya v nablyudaemoi galaktike; t vremya prohozhdeniya kvanta ot nablyudaemoi galaktiki do Zemli; K=0,535*10^-20 sek^-3 postoyannyi koefficient im. P.L. Kapicy (sm. ssylki); T vremya zhizni kvanta pri svobodnom dvizhenii v IKZh prostranstva (ot momenta E=hy do polnogo rasseyaniya im energii E=0). Znaya po etalonnym solnechnym spektram, kakoi dolzhna byt' chastota y kvanta pri izluchenii my mozhem rasschitat' po ukazannym formulam, kakimi dolzhny byt' prinimaemye na Zemle chastoty etih kvantov ot zvezd i galaktik, nahodyashihsya na lyubyh interesuyushih nas rasstoyaniyah ot Zemli. Sostavim raschetnuyu tablicu prinimaemyh chastot dlya dvuh kvantov, izluchaemyh s granichnymi chastotami vidimogo diapazona EMV i dvuh kvantov, izluchaemyh s etalonnymi chastotami ul'trafioletovogo diapazona. Proidennye rasstoyaniya dlya vseh kvantov budem brat' ravnymi ot 0,001 milliarda svetovyh let do sootvetstvuyushego vremeni zhizni kazhdogo iz vybrannyh nami kvantov: [y=0,41;T=8,77], [y=0,76;T=11,94], [y=1,57;T=17,17], [y=1,93;T=19,05]. (Vse tablichnye velichiny chastot ukazany v gercah bez mnozhitelya 10^15, a velichiny vremeni v milliardah let.) Raschetnaya tablica chastot (y) i otnositel'nyh krasnyh smeshenii z=(y-y)/y. t _________[y; z]_________ [y; z]__________ [y; z]_________ [y; z] 0,001_[0,4099; 0,00023][0,7599;0,00017][1,5698;0,000116][1,9342; 0,0103] 0,01__[0,40907; 0,0023][0,7587; 0,0017][ 1,5682; 0,00117][1,9322; 0,00105] 0,1___[0,40071; 0,0232][0,7473; 0,0170][ 1,5518; 0,0118 ][ 1,9138; 0,0107 ] 1,0___[0,32190; 0,2740][0,6381; 0,1910][ 1,3924; 0,1280 ][1,7343; 0,11500] Ostanovimsya poka na rasstoyanii v 1 milliard svetovyh let dlya togo, chtoby proanalizirovat' sootvetstvie nashih teoreticheskih raschetnyh rezul'tatov tem dannym nablyudatel'noi astronomii, kotorymi ona raspolagala k momentu "otkrytiya zakona Habbla" v tridcatyh godah proshlogo veka. Togda astronomy mogli nablyudat' tol'ko v diapazone vidimyh svetovyh kvantov ( ot 0,76 do 0,41 )*10^15 Gc. Po tablice vidno, chto v etom diapazone krasnoe smeshenie dlya rasstoyanii do 1 milliarda svetovyh let uvelichivalos' pochti pryamo proporcional'no rasstoyaniyu dlya vsego diapazona vidimyh chelovecheskim glazom fotonov. Tot fakt, chto krasnoe smeshenie umen'shalos' s uvelicheniem chastoty izlucheniya, ne byl zamechen nablyudatelyami po dvum prichinam. Vo-pervyh, potomu chto krasnye fotony uzhe s rasstoyaniya v 1 million svetovyh let uhodili v nenablyudaemyi infrakrasnyi diapazon, iz-za chego diapazon nablyudaemyh chastot eshe bolee suzhalsya. Vo- vtoryh, izmenenie prinimaemyh chastot zavisyashih ot rasstoyaniya byli tak maly, chto ochen' sil'no iskazhalis' doppler- effektom ot pekulyarnyh skorostei istochnikov izluchenii. Poetomu, E. Habbl vyskazal gipotezu, chto galakticheskoe krasnoe smeshenie pryamo proporcional'no rasstoyaniyu do nablyudaemoi galaktiki. Poetomu relyativisty reshili, chto galakticheskoe krasnoe smeshenie ob'yasnyaetsya doppler-effektom ot ravnomernogo rasshireniya vselennoi v kazhdoi tochke prostranstva. V dal'neishem, s uvelicheniem pronicayushei sily teleskopov i rasshireniem diapazona prinimaemyh chastot na vsyu shkalu EMV stalo ochevidnym nesootvetstvie nablyudaemyh smeshenii zakonu Habbla i relyativistskoi kosmologii. K sozhaleniyu, relyativisty do sih por ne speshat ni s shirokim obnarodovaniem, ni s priznaniem etih ochevidnyh faktov. Teper' polnost'yu gotova tablica galakticheskih krasnyh smeshenii dlya fotonov, izluchaemyh v materinskih galaktikah s chastotami: 1) y'=0,41*10^15 Gc - krasnyi (polnoe vremya zhizni T=8,77 milliardov let); 2) y'=0,76*10^15 Gc - fioletovyi (polnoe vremya zhizni T=11,94 milliardov let); 3) y'=1,57*10^15 Gc - ul'trafioletovyi (polnoe vremya zhizni T=17,17 milliardov let); 4) y'=1,93*10^15 Gc - ul'trafioletovyi (polnoe vremya zhizni T=19,05 milliardov let). Mozhno ee rassmotret' i proanalizirovat'. Raschetnaya tablica chastot (y) i otnositel'nyh krasnyh smeshenii z=(y-y)/y. (Vse tablichnye velichiny chastot ukazany v gercah bez mnozhitelya 10^15, a velichiny vremeni v milliardah let) t _________[y; z]_________ [y; z]__________ [y; z]_________ [y; z] 0,001_[0,4099; 0,00023][0,7599;0,00017][1,5698;0,000116][1,9342; 0,0103] 0,01__[0,40907; 0,0023][0,7587; 0,0017][ 1,5682; 0,00117][1,9322; 0,00105] 0,1___[0,40071; 0,0232][0,7473; 0,0170][ 1,5518; 0,0118 ][ 1,9138; 0,0107 ] 1,0___[0,32190; 0,2740][0,6381; 0,1910][ 1,3924; 0,1280 ][1,7343; 0,11500] 2,0___[ 0,2444; 0,6780 ][0,5268; 0,4430][ 1,2255; 0,2810][ 1,5495; 0,2483 ] 3,0___[0,17754; 1,3429 ][0,3782; 1,0095][1,06895; 0,4687][1,3731; 0,4086 ] 4,0___[0,121137; 2,3846][0,3362; 1,2606][0,9236; 0,69987][1,2073; 0,6021 ] 5,0___[0,07583; 4,40683][0,2569; 1,9583][0,7887; 0,99062][1,0523; 0,83408] 6,0___[0,04099; 9,00244][0,1882; 3,0383][0,66441; 1,3930][0,9078; 1,13062] 7,0___[0,01678; 23,4338][0,1302; 4,8372][0,5508; 1,85040][0,77407; 1,4987] 8,0___[0,003232; 125,86][0,08287; 8,171][0,4478; 2,50603][0,65098; 1,9712] 8,77__[0,00; beskonechn.] 9,0__________________[0,0462; 15,461][0,3555; 3,14163][0,53854; 2,5838] 10,0_________________[0,02015; 36,72][0,2738; 4,73411][0,43674; 3,4191] 11,0_________________[0,00480; 157,3][0,2028; 6,74162][0,3456; 4,58449] 11,94________________[0,00; beskonech.] 12,0_______________________________[0,1424; 10,0253][0,2651; 6,28027] 13,0_______________________________[0,0927; 15,9363][0,19529; 8,8827] 14,0_______________________________[0,05337; 28,236][0,13612; 13,209] 15,0_______________________________[0,0253; 61,0553][0,08861; 20,828] 16,0_______________________________[0,00757; 206,40][0,0502; 37,4462] 17,0_______________________________[0,000492;3190,1][0,0180; 106,222] 17,17______________________________[0,00; beskonechn.] 18,0______________________________________________[0,00645; 298,87] 19,0______________________________________________[0,00012; 16082] 19,05_____________________________________________[0,00; beskonech.] Uvazhaemye chitateli, proshu zadavat' lyubye voprosy, svyazannye s nedoponimaniem ili ne soglasiem s teoriei i ee tablichnymi rezul'tatami.
Naverh
V. M. Usachev
Re[2]: Novyi metod vychisleniya tochnyh rasstoyanii do dalekih galaktik. 11.01.2008 1:44

Nu, chto tut skazhesh'? Dazhe special'no tak navredit' publikacii soobsheniya zatrudnitel'no.

Pridetsya peredelat'. Moderatora proshu udalit' etu temu, poka ya ee peredelayu.

Naverh
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