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Re: Strannye kamni Marsa (Spirit, Opportunity).
24.09.2008 13:17 | O. A. Bykovskii
Vopros na soobrazitel'nost'. Pochemu sublimaciya vodyanogo l'da proishodit v teni pod platformoi Feniksa i v teni stenok otrytyh transhei a strannym obrazom otsutstvuet v osveshennyh mestah na dne otrytyh transhei (gde kazalos' by snyat zashitnyi sloi peska i dazhe na bol'shuyu glubinu da i "vodyanoi led" nahoditsya ne v monolitnom sostoyanii a v poristom). 1. V samom dele kak v transheyah tak i v sluchae platformy sublimaciya proishodit bystree v teni. Na fotografiyah tol'ko chto otrytoi transhei s periodom 2-3 dnya kusochki nahodyasheesya imenno v teni stenki rva kak by ischezayut/isparyayutsya. ( Nizhe gif pokazyvayushii process sublimacii vodyanogo l'da. Imenno etot fakt NASA cherez vse SMI razreklamirovalo kak naglyadnoe dokazatel'stvo nalichiya mokrogo l'da na Marse (tipa chto eshe esli ne vodyanoi led). http://www.flickr.com/photos/hortonheardawho/2595572920/sizes/o/ ) 2. No v teni temperatura zavedomo nizhe chem na osveshennom solncem meste, poskol'ku na Marse kak i na Zemle istochnikom tepla yavlyaetsya solnechnoe izluchenie. A v teni solnechnoe izluchenie otsutstvuet po faktu ili ego namnogo men'she. http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_7020.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/hortonheardawho/2595404067/sizes/o/ TAK POChEMU ZhE TE ZhE SAMYE KUSOChKI VODYaNOGO L'DA LEZhAShIE NA SOLNCE NE ISPARYaYuTSYa, A NAHODYaShIESYa V TENI ISPARYaYuTSYa KATASTOFIChESKI BYSTRO?! Kak ob'yasnit' kazhusheesya protivorechie so zdravym smyslom i zakonami fiziki?! Soglasno kotorym otkrytoe dno transhei so snyatym izoliruyushim sloem suhogo peska i nahodyasheesya na otkrytom osveshennom solncem meste prosto obyazano bystro sublimirovat' led. A etogo ne proishodit. Tak v chem zhe delo? 3. Eshe strannost'. Odna iz poslednih transhei otryta na rekordnuyu glubinu 18 santimetrov chto nesomnenno glubzhe chem sdutyi pri posadke sloi pod platformoi tem ne menee vodnogo l'da ona ne obnaruzhivaet. Togda chto belelo pod dnishem pervoe vremya? A zatem tak bystro i stranno sublimirovalo ili isparilos'? http://www.flickr.com/photos/hortonheardawho/2538239087/sizes/o/ Prichem korochka vodyanogo l'da pod dnishem Feniksa sublimiruet kak-to neestestvenno chto li, poetapno sloyami kotorye pochemu-to rastreskivayutsya chto ves'ma stranno i ne nablyudaetsya pri sublimacii ne vodyanogo l'da ne suhogo. http://www.lyle.org/~markoff/processed/RS113EFF906276258_1D300MB.jpg http://www.lyle.org/~markoff/processed/RS113EFF906252214_1D1F6MB.jpg http://www.lyle.org/~markoff/processed/RS113EFF906252495_1D1F6MB.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/hortonheardawho/2819830116/sizes/o/ http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/2870606820_42e0bd2aa0_b.jpg (obratim vnimanie obrazovavsheesya yama nahoditsya v samom centre tenevoi zony!) Gipoteza. Predpolozhim sleduyushee. Esli pochva Marsa kak my schitaem molekulyarnaya biota, prichem osnovnoi napolnitel' kotoroi v polyarnyh raionah yavlyaetsya SO2 (a ne N2O) to vozmozhnost' nahozhdeniya uglekisloty pri stol' vysokih temperaturah vpolne uvyazyvaetsya s osobym sostoyaniem veshestva preobrazovannogo processami zhiznedeyatel'nosti. Tak zhe kak estestvenno schitat', chto processy zhiznedeyatel'nosti v molekulyarnoi biote v kachestve istochnika energii kak i na Zemle ispol'zuyut solnechnuyu energiyu (konechno poka neizvestnym dlya nas sposobom. Vprochem etim oblast' neizvestnogo ne ogranichivaetsya.) tak vot ishodya iz vyskazannogo predpolozheniya pochvy Marsa kak preobrazovannogo zhiznedeyatel'nost'yu veshestva, to perekrytie dostupa sveta yavlyaetsya estestvennoi prichinoi bystroi sublimacii v teni platformy (dnem vozduh izbytochno progrevaetsya vezde a izuchenie neobhodimoe dlya processov zhiznedeyatel'nosti otsutstvuet). V svoyu ochered' komochki grunta okazavshiesya v teni stenki otrytogo rva i po toi zhe prichine perekrytiya dostupa solnechnogo oblucheniya sublimiruyut tak zhe bystro kak i pod platformoi a dno transhei otkrytoe dlya solnechnogo sveta i sootvetstvenno obluchaemoe solncem ostaetsya celym i spokoino perenosit novoe sostoyanie. Prichem soglasno dannomu predpolozheniyu pochvy Marsa kak molekulyarnoi bioty, smazka fotografii traktuemaya naprimer kak raskachivanie Feniksa pri poryvah vetra (chto voobshe govorya malo veroyatno i dazhe nevozmozhno pri poryvah 5 m/s i plotnosti atmosfery 0.6% zemnoi atmosfery, a my znaem chto raskachivanie Feniksa pri 5m/ s isklyuchalos' by dazhe na Zemle a na tol'ko Marse pri ih mizernyh 0.6%!). http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/i mages/gallery/md_31039.jpg Tak vot razmazka fotografii pohozhe eto proyavlyayutsya tolchki i dvizheniya poverhnosti kak reakciya na neblagopriyatnoe vozdeistvie Feniksa (ten' neprivychnoe i neblagopriyatnoe yavlenie). A na ftografiyah s glubiny 18 sm vidno grunt vyazkii i podvizhnyi http://www.lyle.org/~markoff/processed/RS102EFF905271290_1BEF0MB.jpg Analogichnuyu reakciyu mozhno nablyudat' v meste posadki Opportuniti http://tonos.ru/images/articles/mars/6/image037.jpg Horosho vidno chto posle pribytiya platformy Opportuniti poverhnost' pod nim bukval'no skukozhilas'.
- Strannye kamni Marsa (Spirit, Opportunity).
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Bolee chem strannye kamni (Spirit, Opportunity).... - Re: Strannye kamni Marsa (Spirit, Opportunity).
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