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Chernye dyry: Populyarnoe vvedenie - eto znachit dlya durakov, veryashih v yabloki na bereze
27.04.2009 8:46 | Karim Haidarov

Nu i proidoha, etot Zhan-P'er Lyumine iz Observatorii Parizh-Myudon, Otdeleniya Relyativistskoi Astrofiziki i Kosmologii!!! ... zhalko trud pekrevodchika etoi brehni (zhizn' to, daetsya nam odin raz i ne na dolgo).

Nachav, yakoby, s persidskoi skazki, on kak drevnii haldeiskii mag, vnushaet chitatelyu, chto i na bereze rastut yabloki.

Na samom dele chernyh dyr net v prirode po prostoi prichine: elemtromagnitnye volny ne obladayut gravitacionnoi massoi, a poetomu ne uchastvuyut v gravitacionnom vzaimodeistvii i ne mogut letat' po obbitam konicheskih sechenii. Poetomu vse dal'neishie rassuzhdeniya "skol'ko yablok na vetkah berezy" - prosto bessmyslenny, esli ne skazat' - zhul'nicheskii relyativsistskii cirk.

Kto hochet deistvitel'no razobrat'sya s problemoi kvazarov i rentgenovskih zvezd, chitaite ne etu mut', a stat'i vedushih uchenyh planety - astrofizikov i fizikov na saite Bourabai Research

Dlya nachala tam est' FAQ dlya "chainikov"

• Chernye dyry: Populyarnoe vvedenie   (Zhan-P'er Lyumine/CNRS, Medon, 25.10.2002 18:26,  Bait, otvetov: 17)
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• Re: Chernye dyry: Populyarnoe vvedenie   (M. F. Dmitriev, 26.12.2002 15:11, 131 Bait) Otvet na Vashu stat'yu s kommentariyami chitaite v "In', Yan i chernaya dyra" po adresu: http://www.izvestia.ru/forum/forums.cgi?forum=12
• Re: vEPMShE DShPSh: oNOSK'PMNE BBEDEMHE   (M. F. Dmitriev, 26.12.2002 16:23, 1.3 KBait, otvetov: 1) eYaKH HYaUNDHRE HG CHONREGSh hME, 'M H VEPMYu' DShPYu, http://www.izvestia.ru/forum/forums.cgi?forum=12 RN MENAUNDHLN BMEYaRH ONOPYuB'H Ya SVERNL GYu'PSVHBYuChYEIYa' YaOHPYuKH B: pHYaSM'H 8 H 9. mYuBHCYuZhHNMMShE N'PSFMNYaRH B BNDNBNPNRE VEPMNI DShPSh. pHYaSMN' 15. iPNRNBYu' MNPYu B OPNYaRPYuMYaRBE-BPELEMH. pHYaSMN' 16. hGSVEMHE YaTEPHVEYa'NI VEPMNI DShPSh Ya ONLNYECh DHYuCPYuLLSh iPSYa'YuKYu yaKEDSER ONYaRYuBHRE OND YaNLMEMHE YaKEDSChYHE SRBEPFDEMH' YuBRNPYu: nDMYu'N 'YaMN, VRN VEPEG 'PNRNBSCh MNPS MEKEG' OPNIRH ON BPELEMHONDNAMNI RPYuE'RNPHH: MH NDMYu RPYuE'RNPH' ME LNFER BEYaRH HG NDMNI BYaEKEMMNI B DPSCSCh, ME OPNUND' VEPEG YaHMCSK'PMNYaRE OPH . ... yu ShRN ME DYuER MH EDHMNCN 'YuMYaYu DK' OSRE'EYaRBHI B OPNYaRPYuMYaRBE-BPELEMH... bOPNVEL RYu'FE, 'Yu' H BN BYaE YaNOSRYaRBSChYHE, NYaMNBNONKNCYuChYHE ONKNFEMH' YaNBPELEMMNI THGH'H. ' ONKYuCYuCh OSRE'EYaRBNBYuRE BN BPELEMH LNFMN. rNKE'N 'Yu' ShRN YaDEKYuRE, VRNASh ME NAFEVE YaBNH 'PShKE' ONDNAMN RPEREEI AYuANV'E? mE YaLNRP' MYu RN, VRN ' YuAYaNKChRMShI MENTHR B ShRNL BNOPNYaE, ME HLEChYHI MH'Yu'NI RENPERHVEYa'NI ONDCNRNB'H 'PNLE MYuSVMNONOSK'PMNI, LME 'YuFERYa' ' LNCS DYuRE SG'NYaOEZhHYuKHGHPNBYuMMShL SVEMShL ONDYa'YuG'S DK' NRBERYu MYu ShRNR BNOPNYa. oNRNLS VRN ME GMYu' TNPLSK, ' GMYuCh 'Yu' HYa'YuRE NRBER. ya SBYuFEMHEL ' ONVREMMNI OSAKH'E, MShME AEGPYuANRMShI DHPE'RNP ON KNCHYaRH'E lHUYuHK dLHRPHEB. maikl52@hot.ee 26 DE'YuAP' 2002 C.
• Re[2]: vEPMShE DShPSh: oNOSK'PMNE BBEDEMHE   (i. e. Abevegedeev, 26.04.2009 17:08, 298 Bait) "ves' izluchennyi takim telom svet dolzhen byl by k nemu vernut'sya" .hME, 'M H VEPMYu' DShPYu. oHYaELN mP.11. oNYaB'YYuERYa' oERPS iYuOHZhYu. vEPMYu' DShPYu H YaBEPUMNBYu' GBEGDYu ShRN DBYu NAZE'RYu YaB'GYuMMShU LEFDS YaNANI YaRYuAHKEMShL OKYuGLEMMShL 'MSPNL. Nu vot.Pervoe soobshenie iz chernoi dyry prorvalos' naruzhu.
• Re: Chernye dyry: Populyarnoe vvedenie   ( Gost', 11.08.2005 18:15, 20 Bait, otvetov: 1)

  Zhzhesh scuko!!!

• Re[2]: Chernye dyry: Populyarnoe vvedenie   ( Gost', 27.01.2006 11:09, 30 Bait)

  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

• Re: Chernye dyry: Populyarnoe vvedenie   (I. A. )))), 21.01.2008 16:32, 278 Bait)

  Srochno nuzhno mnogo informacii pro Chernye Dyry za poslednii 5 LET!!! I esli est' roliki pro pogloshenie ChD zvezd ili inyh ob'ektov!esli u kogo-to chto-to podobnoe est', vysylaite na mylo koncepciya@gmail.com Budu och priznatel'na!

• Re: Chernye dyry: Populyarnoe vvedenie   (i. e. Abevegedeev, 26.04.2009 20:34, 351 Bait, otvetov: 1) Re[2]: vEPMShE DShPSh: oNOSK'PMNE BBEDEMHE 26.04.2009 17:08 "ves' izluchennyi takim telom svet dolzhen byl by k nemu vernut'sya" .hME, 'M H VEPMYu' DShPYu. oHYaELN mP.11. oNYaB'YYuERYa' oERPS iYuOHZhYu. vEPMYu' DShPYu H YaBEPUMNBYu' GBEGDYu ShRN DBYu NAZE'RYu YaB'GYuMMShU LEFDS YaNANI YaRYuAHKEMShL OKYuGLEMMShL 'MSPNL. Nu vot.Pervoe soobshenie iz chernoi dyry prorvalos' naruzhu.
• >> Chernye dyry: Populyarnoe vvedenie - eto znachit dlya durakov, veryashih v yabloki na bereze   (Karim Haidarov, 27.04.2009 8:46, 1.0 KBait)

  Nu i proidoha, etot Zhan-P'er Lyumine iz Observatorii Parizh-Myudon, Otdeleniya Relyativistskoi Astrofiziki i Kosmologii!!! ... zhalko trud pekrevodchika etoi brehni (zhizn' to, daetsya nam odin raz i ne na dolgo).

  Nachav, yakoby, s persidskoi skazki, on kak drevnii haldeiskii mag, vnushaet chitatelyu, chto i na bereze rastut yabloki.

  Na samom dele chernyh dyr net v prirode po prostoi prichine: elemtromagnitnye volny ne obladayut gravitacionnoi massoi, a poetomu ne uchastvuyut v gravitacionnom vzaimodeistvii i ne mogut letat' po obbitam konicheskih sechenii. Poetomu vse dal'neishie rassuzhdeniya "skol'ko yablok na vetkah berezy" - prosto bessmyslenny, esli ne skazat' - zhul'nicheskii relyativsistskii cirk.

  Kto hochet deistvitel'no razobrat'sya s problemoi kvazarov i rentgenovskih zvezd, chitaite ne etu mut', a stat'i vedushih uchenyh planety - astrofizikov i fizikov na saite Bourabai Research

  Dlya nachala tam est' FAQ dlya "chainikov"

• Re: Chernye dyry: Populyarnoe vvedenie   (A. V. Rykov, 13.05.2009 10:33, 1.0 KBait, otvetov: 3)

  Zhalkoe zrelishe proizvodyat KM, KED, OTO!

  Prichina obshaya dlya vseh fundamental'nyh fizicheskih teorii HH veka: bez znaniya prirody yavlenii vsemi vozmozhnymi sposobami matematicheski opisyvayut nablyudaemye yavleniya i dannye eksperimentov. Deistvuya v tochnosti po receptam Ptolemeya-Dekarta. Na samom dele parametry chernyh dyr opredelyayutsya po N'yutonu, a ne po Shvarcshil'du. Radius chernoi dyry nahoditsya po formule N'yutona R=sqrt[GM/g(max)], gde g(max)=6,341445e+10 mc^2.

  Sravnenie Shvarcshil'da i resheniya po N'yutonu dayut dlya massy Solnca 3 km-46 km, dlya massy Zemli 0,01 m 79, dlya chernyh dyr v centrah galaktik plotnost' men'she plotnosti vody na 5-7 poryadkov bol'she plotnosti vody.

• Re[2]: Chernye dyry: Populyarnoe vvedenie   (S. V. Bokatov, 22.07.2009 23:30, 1.4 KBait) Nu tochku zreniya fiziki tut mozhno srazu zhe otbrosit'! Etomu predshestvuet neskol'ko faktorov! K primeru: 1)Edison dokazyval spomosh'yu fizicheskih formul chto letatel'nye apparaty tyazhelee vozduha sushestvovat' ne mogut, tem ne menne ne znaya etogo brat'ya Rait oprovergli eto! 2)Enshtein dokazal chto skorost' sveta v vakuume est' naibol'shaya skorost' vo vselennoi i fizicheskimi ob'ektami ne mozhet byt' dostignuta, hotya uzhe mnogokratno byli zamechenny kosmicheskie ob'ekty dvigayushiesya so skorost'yu prevyshayushei skorost' sveta v neskol'ko raz! 3)Dazhe vzyat' to chto 3 zakon N'yutona byl na samom dele ne pravil'no pereveden, da i sama fizika uzhe ne delala sushestvennyh otkrytii pochti 300 let! Mozhno schitat' kak ne sostoyanie nyneshnei nauki ob'yasnit' mnogoe v etom mire poka ne budut otbroshenny starye postulaty! Dazhe vzyat' tot zhe "graviton" ili "foton" o kotoryh nauka tolkom ne mozhet nichego skazat'! Lichno moe mnenie chto chernaya dyra eto anomaliya prostranstva! Uchityvaya to chto ona poyavlyaetsya v sledstvii sil'neishego szhatiya, mozhno predpolozhit' chto sushestvuet vo vselennoi eshe odin zakon o maksimal'noi stepeni szhatiya dlya opredelennogo prostranstva! To est' proshe govorya esli ob'ekt szhimaetsya vyshe etoi opredelennoi stepeni to on perehodit iz 3 mernogo prostranstva v bolee plotnoe 2 mernoe prostranstvo! Pravda eto tol'ko teoriya no po nekotorym nablyudeniyam ya vse bol'she nachinayu ubezhdat'sya v svoei pravote!
• Re[2]: Chernye dyry: Populyarnoe vvedenie   (S. V. Bokatov, 22.07.2009 23:31, 1.4 KBait) Nu tochku zreniya fiziki tut mozhno srazu zhe otbrosit'! Etomu predshestvuet neskol'ko faktorov! K primeru: 1)Edison dokazyval spomosh'yu fizicheskih formul chto letatel'nye apparaty tyazhelee vozduha sushestvovat' ne mogut, tem ne menne ne znaya etogo brat'ya Rait oprovergli eto! 2)Enshtein dokazal chto skorost' sveta v vakuume est' naibol'shaya skorost' vo vselennoi i fizicheskimi ob'ektami ne mozhet byt' dostignuta, hotya uzhe mnogokratno byli zamechenny kosmicheskie ob'ekty dvigayushiesya so skorost'yu prevyshayushei skorost' sveta v neskol'ko raz! 3)Dazhe vzyat' to chto 3 zakon N'yutona byl na samom dele ne pravil'no pereveden, da i sama fizika uzhe ne delala sushestvennyh otkrytii pochti 300 let! Mozhno schitat' kak ne sostoyanie nyneshnei nauki ob'yasnit' mnogoe v etom mire poka ne budut otbroshenny starye postulaty! Dazhe vzyat' tot zhe "graviton" ili "foton" o kotoryh nauka tolkom ne mozhet nichego skazat'! Lichno moe mnenie chto chernaya dyra eto anomaliya prostranstva! Uchityvaya to chto ona poyavlyaetsya v sledstvii sil'neishego szhatiya, mozhno predpolozhit' chto sushestvuet vo vselennoi eshe odin zakon o maksimal'noi stepeni szhatiya dlya opredelennogo prostranstva! To est' proshe govorya esli ob'ekt szhimaetsya vyshe etoi opredelennoi stepeni to on perehodit iz 3 mernogo prostranstva v bolee plotnoe 2 mernoe prostranstvo! Pravda eto tol'ko teoriya no po nekotorym nablyudeniyam ya vse bol'she nachinayu ubezhdat'sya v svoei pravote!
• Re[2]: Chernye dyry: Populyarnoe vvedenie   (I. V. Kernes, 25.10.2009 1:26, 56 Bait) Pro chernye dyry mozhno pochitat' tut http://www.sonati.ru/
• Re: Chernye dyry: Populyarnoe vvedenie   (ALEX ALEX, 10.01.2010 19:24, 68 Bait, otvetov: 1)

  Nachto pohozhe svetovoe eho i kak

  eto prodemonstrirovat'?

• Re[2]: Chernye dyry: Populyarnoe vvedenie   (A. V. Rykov, 11.01.2010 15:01, 579 Bait)

  Opublikovana kniga "Vakuum i veshestvo Vselennoi", Restart, 2007, 160 str. V knige dan vyvod skorosti gravitacii. Obosnovannyi na eksperimental'noi fizike.

  Skorost' gravitacii v 3576,055 raz prevyshaet skorost' sveta.

• Re: Chernye dyry: Populyarnoe vvedenie   (Denis Davydov, 9.03.2010 23:52, 766 Bait) Chto takoe "chernaya dyra"? Ya nashel otvet na etot vopros, issledovav mnozhestvo teorii i nablyudaya za ochevidnym. Chernaya dyra- eto vakuum, obrazovavshiisya iz-za vzryva zvezdy. Podobno atomnoi bomby, kotoraya snachala vzryvayas' obrazuet mnogo energii i vakuum v meste vzryva, a dalee ona ego zapolnyaet. Predstav'te sebe, chto vzryv podoben mnogotrilionnom bombam i kol-vo energii vysvobozhdennoi - neschetnoe kolichestvo. A dalee obrazuetsya vakuum razmerom so mnozhestvo galaktik i on nachinaet zapolnyat'sya milliardy let, s ogromnoi skorost'yu. Edinstvennyi faktor-vremya zapolneniya. Poetomu ona pogloshaet vse, chto mozhno i v nei vse propadaet i eto budet dlit'sya do teh por, poka prostranstvo ne budet zapolneno. V zhizni est' zakon- vakuum zapolnyaetsya prostranstvom.
• Re: Chernye dyry: Populyarnoe vvedenie   (Albert Timashov, 2.11.2014 21:57, 1.3 KBait)

  Fizicheskoe yavlenie - Chernaya dyra, fiksiruetsya nalichiem sil'nogo gravitacionnogo polya po soputstvuyushim priznakam vzaimodeistviya s drugimi vidimymi material'nymi massami (telami), v tochke koordinat kosmicheskogo Prostranstva.Shema dinamiki dvizheniya, analogichna planetarnoi sheme dvizheniya sputnikov po orbite, no sushestvennoe razlichie v tom, chto massa tela - centra gravitacionnogo polya nevidima, ni vizual'nymi, ni radiolokacionnymi priborami. Nalichie material'noi massy (tela), formiruet silu i razmer gravitacionnogo polya. Chem zhe mozhno ob'yasnit' nevidimost' dannogo material'nogo ob'ekta? Otsutstvie izlucheniya lyubyh vidov energii ot material'nogo ob'ekta, isklyuchaet vozmozhnost' ego obnaruzheniya. Sledovatel'no, otkrytie prirody i istochnika mehanizma peredachi energii ot ob'ekta i ob'yasnit prichinu otsutstviya etogo iformacionnogo processa vidimosti ob'ekta. V rabote po Kosmosu mnoyu opredeleny priroda i istochnik deistvuyushih sil, upravlyayushih fizicheskimi processami mirozdaniya. << Edinoe silovoe pole Vselennoi i mehanizm gravitacii >>.Polnoe opisanie na veb-saite: www.tsclub.us/SPole Korotko mogu skazat' - NE'TRINO predstavlyayut Edinoe silovoe pole i sily mehanizma gravitacii. Albert