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Re: Chernaya dyra
30.11.2011 14:40 | A.P. Vasi
Re: Mehanika sploshnoi sredy i Vselennaya
\\\"vibenok"
I eto obsuzhdenie tozhe ostanetsya nezavershennym. Potomu chto zavershenie nauchnoi diskussii -- eto predlozheniya po eksperimental'noi proverke. Tak chto vse-taki: kakie Vy vidite prespektivy po eksperimental'noi proverke Vashih idei?\\\
Etomu ne geniyu dazhe ne ponyat' chto fizike do lampochki chtoby rabotalo,
- fizike nado ob'yasnit' prichinu, i izmerit'.
Kstati hochu eshe raz akcentirovat'
vnimanie na to chto "vibenok" gonit golimyi
porozhnyak v svoih utverzhdeniyah ot imeni vsei fiziki.
I vse dolzhny ponimat' chto esli gandol'er
utverzhdaet chto mol fizike glavnoe chtoby rabotalo -
to nado ponimat' - lyubaya rech' gandol'era iznachal'no
bespolezna dlya drugih i polezna dlya nego lichno.
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Povtoryu tak kak aktual'no,
ibo vse delayut oshibki odni i te-zhe togo ne ponimaya.
S moei tochki zreniya osnovnaya trudnost' v fizike - nalichie v nei geniev, po prichine togo chto krome geniev v fizike mogut byt' nedoumki i difektivnye, i nedogenii. Grubo govorya fiziki delyatsya na dva osnovnyh klassa genii i nedoumki, srednego ne dano. Po skol'ku geniev edinicy - to vse vospityvayutsya v stile nedoumkov, v principe ne sposobnyh svoimi slovami otvetit' na voprosy po fizike, po skol'ku svoi mysli schitayut myslyami nedoumkov, i sovetuyut pochitat' knizhki geniev s ih tochki zreniya. Pri obshenii fizikov to i proishodit vzaimoposylanie chitat' knizhki. Vot takaya zhestokaya selyavi.
http://www.astronomy.ru/forum/index.php/topic,79449.msg1722187.html#msg1722187
Vot Vibe naprimer zanimaetsya gandol'erizmom, on voobshe nasazhdaet vsem podryad edinstvenno pravil'nuyu tochku zreniya, ibo kak fizik on ne genii.
\\/Imenno chto po fizike. A Poisk Istiny -- eto filosofiya. Na filosofskom forume Vas, veroyatno, privetili by i s oduvanchikami, i s apel'sinami. A v fizike glavnoe -- chtoby rabotalo./\\
Sovsem otupel uzhe - kak rabotaet zamedlenie vremeni pust' rasskazhet, i kak rabotaet prityazhenie,
i krivizna prostranstva - i kakimi izmeritel'nymi instrumentami eto izmeryaetsya.
Etomu ne geniyu dazhe ne ponyat' chto fizike do lampochki chtoby rabotalo,
- fizike nado ob'yasnit' prichinu, i izmerit'.
\\\Konechno. No pochemu Vy reshili, chto zanimaetes' fizikoi? U menya vot, naprimer, fizicheskoe obrazovanie, i po rabote ya, vrode kak, fizik. A nichego, krome uprazhnenii v izyashnoi slovesnosti, ya v Vashih tekstah ne vizhu. I u menya est' sil'noe podozrenie (osnovannoe na replikah drugih uchastnikov), chto ya ne odinok v takom ih vospriyatii.\\\
Vot ocherednoe zhelanie probit'sya v genii mestnogo razliva, a pontov i pafosa kak budto ego
prepodavatel' byl Tomas Yung, a na samom dele prohodilo gruppovoe chtenie
knig po relyativizmu s zauchivaniem naizust'.
\\\Eto ochen' horosho. No pochemu Vy tak stremites' navyazat' eto ob'yasnenie drugim?\\\
Tol'ko gandol'er mahrovyi ne ponimaet chto lyubaya diskussiya, lekciya, prepodavanie eto navyazyvanie
drugoi tochki zreniya komu libo.
"vibenok" prodolzhaet svoyu seriyu naglyh
razvedyvatel'nyh voprosov chtoby ukrast' chuzhie idei,
on prekrasno ponimaet chto zavtra esli on budet ostavat'sya
"relyativistom mahrovym", ego kormovaya baza budet
na skudnom racione, a vlez't' v al'ternativshiki
on mozhet tol'ko shopnuv idei al'tov.
Re: Mehanika sploshnoi sredy i Vselennaya
"vibenok"\\\\Oh...
Esli Vy predlagaete novye vzglyady, znachit, starye Vas chem-to ne
ustraivayut. Chem? Esli Vy predlagaete novye vzglyady, znachit, oni v chem-to
luchshe staryh. V chem?\\\\
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