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Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
27.02.2012 10:00 | A.P. Vasi
Vos'merki vos'merkami, vopros v drugom
astronomy kak v pogovorke, smotryat v knigu - vidyat
neponyatno chto - eto ved' zvezda ne popadayushaya
ni pod kakie teorii.
Ne ponimayu pochemu ne pishut to chto est' na kartinke,
chto mol est' zvezda nestandartnogo svecheniya,
s vybrosami po ekvatoru, pri vzryve v 1987 godu
ona poteryala standartnyi vid i tak dalee.
Ili astronomy dumayut chto eto dolzhny delat'
drugie, komu do lampochki gospodstvuyushaya paradigma.
Ya ne znayu kak prinyato u astronomov mozhet oni prisedayut
ili delayut ku dva raza pri slovah - relyativist idet,
bol'shoi vzryv, i klanyayutsya portretu Einshteina, eto
vse krasivo, no ot etogo ne stanovitsya ponyatnee izobrazhenie
na fotografii.
I skol'ko vremeni nado chtoby ponyat' chto i na etoi
fotografii - odna neobychnaya zvezda,
http://science.compulenta.ru/627880/
Habbl sfotografiroval tumannost' Ozherel'e
-------------------Svet i prostranstvo i o skorosti sveta.
http://science.compulenta.ru/552375/
SN1987a otnositsya k klassu - vzryvnogo korotkogo vybrosa po ekvatoru, s posleduyushei deformaciei v vide dvuh tarelok, s posleduyushim povysheniem davleniya efira, v svyazi s ee ochen' bystrym rostom i posleduyushim vybrosom strui efira po ekvatoru, vneshne pohozhego na gorenie gazovoi konforki.
Chto sobstvenno vidno na snimke, vidno kak posle togo kak tresnul ekvator, skvoz' treshiny poletel efir unosya s soboi chasti kraya zvezdy, zdes' po neponyatnoi prichine otsutstvuet ekvatorial'nyi vybros, a est' tol'ko dva naklonno-kol'cevyh k vneshnei poverhnosti. Naklon k vneshnei poverhnosti proishodit iz za uvlecheniya efira k vneshnei poverhnosti Zvezdy Fiziki, a naklon u poverhnosti opredelyaetsya otkloneniem efira samoi poverhnost'yu, i obrazovaniem strui efira skvoz' zvezdnoe veshestvo, kotorye vzaimno ne peresekayutsya.
Zvezda sdelala vybros efira, i v svyazi s ee bol'shoi massoi nachala szhimat'sya a kraya plyushilo , posle chego vybros ostanovilsya. A vyletevshee veshestvo, kotoroe tolkal efir, posle togo kak efir uravnyalsya davleniem v prostranstve, prakticheski ostanovilos' v dvizhenii.
Zdes' na snimke my vidim raznicu mezhdu naklonno-kol'cevymi vybrosami, - bolee logichno predpolozhit' chto snosit mestnym efirnym techeniem, po skol'ku vryad-li pri vybrose strui efira byli raznoi sily.
Analogiyu podobnomu vzryvu mozhno uvidet' vot zdes', tol'ko zdes' vzryv prodolzhalsya,
http://www.astronet.ru/db/msg/1244752
Chto mozhno predpolozhit' o dal'neishei situacii s SN1987a, -
ya davno ne mog ponyat' kak mozhet zvezda efira vyletet' iz Zvezdy Fiziki,
v dannom sluchai ya naoborot ne vizhu nikakih shansov u zvezdy efira dlitel'noe vremya ostavat'sya vnutri etoi zvezdy dvuh-tarelochnogo tipa.
Po toi prichine, chto posleduyushee raskalenie centrov blyudec, budet svidetel'stvovat', chto bystro nabirayushaya svoyu massu zvezda efira, - uvelichivaet davlenie efira vnutri, a poskol'ku krotchaishee rasstoyanie dlya vyhoda efira - centry blyudec (polyusa), sledovatel'no poluchitsya kvazar s dvumya konusnymi vybrosami, posle poyavleniya kotoryh konforka perestanet goret' a ves' efir iz zvezdy budet vyhodit' cherez polyusa.
V posledstvii cherez odin iz konusov i vyletit zvezda efira, posle chego Zvezda Fiziki obvalivaetsya vo vnutr', etot vzryv nazyvaetsya - "obval karkasa - nova".
Predpolozhitel'no eto budet vyglyadet' vot tak.
http://www.astronet.ru/db/msg/1228061/magnetar.jpg.html
Cherez nekotoroe vremya eta zvezda stanet odnoi iz zvezd glavnoi posledovatel'nosti (Diagramma Gercshprunga - Ressela), i budet vnutri zarozhdat' novuyu zvezdu efira.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rotteneggnebula.jpg
Vot yarkii primer zvezdy dvuh -tarelochnogo tipa, u kotoroi
nachalsya prozhig polyusov, i nachala uhodit' ot centra mass zvezda efira
vnutri Zvezdy Fiziki ,
i ochen' neravnomernoe davlenie v vybrose, chto v blizhaishem vremeni privedet k vyhodu zvezdy
efira iz Zvezdy Fiziki.
Eta zvezda iznachal'no otlichalas' ot SN1987a, tem chto ekvator tresnul
kogda zvezda efira nahodilas' ne po centru Zvezdy Fiziki.
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