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Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
3.03.2012 15:22 | V.N. Sergeev
Itak, proanaliziruem nestykovki predlagaemoi modeli s nablyudaemymi faktami. Predpolagaetsya ,chto zvezda vrashaetsya i nastupaet takoi moment, kogda ona rvetsya ili vzryvaetsya, eto v dannom sluchae nevazhno, i razletaetsya na kuski v ploskosti ekvatora. V takom scenarii, chto by kuski leteli v odnoi ploskosti obyazatel'no neobhodimo nalichie ochen' bol'shoi uglovoi skorosti. A eto znachit, chto roi fragmentov v kol'ce prodolzhal by dvigat'sya po krugu s odnovremennym radial'nym razbeganiem. Uvy, my eto ne nablyudaem. Pri nenapravlennom vzryve zvezda rvetsya na raznye po vesu i razmeram fragmenty, kotorye v moment vzryva poluchayut priblizitel'no odinakovyi impul's . V itoge, my poluchili by kol'co znachitel'no shire, sombrero, s pestroi mozaikoi fragmentov s razbrosom po razmeram na neskol'ko poryadkov. A v kol'ce my vidim udivitel'no blizkie po razmeram fragmenty, pravda vozmozhno eto uzhe ne fragmenty a klastery iz nih. Odnako, vremeni na integracionnye processy u vzorvavsheisya zvezdy (esli vzryv, konechno, byl) net, poetomu etot process maloveroyaten. Ishodya iz etogo, predpolagayu, chto vzryva ne bylo, a strukturizaciya zvezdy posle tihogo raspada prohodila po drugim zakonam. Vzryvy byli i ne odin, no uzhe znachitel'no pozzhe, vozmozhno, i cherez 20000 let kak pishut nekotorye avtory, posle obrazovaniya kol'ca, no ne stol' moshnye.
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Pochemu voznikli eti strannye kol'ca v sverhnovoi 1987A?... - Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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Na cifru 8 ne pohozhe.... - Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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http://science.compulenta.ru/552375/\\\Poluchennye dannye svidetel'stvuyut... - Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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A zdes' voobshe po vzroslomu s razmerami zvezdy lopuhnulis',byvaet.... - Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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Uvazhaemyi A.P.... - Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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Ne v tot forum otpravil... - Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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Spasibo! Takim obrazom mozhno popytat'sya zabrasyvat' svoi risunki i tablicy. - Re[2]: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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Vot nashel pro kol'ca. --------------------http://... - Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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Poskol'ku sfericheski-simmetrichnye model'nye raschety kollapsiruyushih... - Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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http://www.sciteclibrary.ru/rus/catalog/pages/11243.htmlChto proishodit so sverhnovoi SN1987A?... - Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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Pohozhaya situaciya.-------------------------http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/opo9607a/ - Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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Bol'shoi ob'em informacii, lyubezno vylozhennyi... - Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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3.03.2012 6:04, 21.9 KBait)
Ya nebol'shuyu lekciyu nasobiral.--------------------------------------------Zvezdy... - Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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Ciklichnost' galaktik.Chem galaktiki otlichayutsya drug ot druga.... - >> Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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3.03.2012 15:22, 1.3 KBait)
Itak, proanaliziruem nestykovki predlagaemoi modeli s nablyudaemymi faktami.... - Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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Istina vsegda ryadom. Eto gravitacionnye kol'ca. Robert. - Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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Spasibo za konstruktivnyi otvet.... - Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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S udovol'stviem prochital Vashu zametku. Do boli znakomye risunki.... - Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
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