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Re: Zagadochnye kol'ca sverhnovoi 1987A
3.03.2012 17:30 | A.P. Vasi
Strannyi Vy tovarish, - eto moya model' -
i v moei modeli ne stykovok - net.
To kak drugie ih opisyvayut - eto
tozhe ih lichnoe mnenie.
To kak Vy ponyali to chto ya Vam rasskazyvayu
eto tozhe - lichno Vashe ponimanie
etoi situacii.
Dannyi sluchai dlya SN1987a, eto dostatochno standartnyi
sluchai. Eti primery dlya zvezd chto privel ya Vam,
eto tol'ko chast' ot sostoyanii zvezd.
Interesnye eshe i "neitronnye reaktivnye zvezdy",
oni imeyut odin vybros.
Eti zvezdy mogut letat' ot odnoi galaktiki k drugoi,
ili prosto mogut daleko uletat' ot galaktiki
i v posledstvii stanet odinochnoi
zvezdoi vne galaktiki.
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Est' neitronnye zvezdy s dvumya i bolee vybrosami.
Moya model' ohvatyvaet vse zvezdy kotorye est',
i mozhet ih opisat' i opredelit' ih tekushee
sostoyanie, i primerno opredelit' sootnoshenie
zvezdy efira vnutri lyuboi zvezdy po otnosheniyu
k masse etoi zvezdy.
Dlya vzryva po ekvatoru vozmozhno i nado vrashatel'noe
dvizhenie a vozmozhno i net, delo v tom chto kogda
proishodit perehod iz sostoyaniya "golubogo giganta"
v zvezdu "dvuh tarelochnogo tipa" pri etom proishodit
- bol'shoi vybros veshestva.
Pri vybrose efira proishodit uplotnenie efira
v prostranstve, i esli i bylo vrashenie u zvezdy,
to ono zamedlitsya prakticheski mgnovenno,
ibo esli do vzryva plotnost' byla odna efira,
pri vzryve plotnost' efira vozle zvezdy povyshaetsya
v tysyachu raz, a sledovatel'no v tysyachu raz uvelichivaetsya
trenie, Vot predstav'te chto plotnost' vozduha uvelichilas'
v tysyachu raz, i trenie izmenitsya odnoznachno.
A u zvezdy v dva s polovinoi diametra solnca -
esli ona nahoditsya kogda vokrug nee voda, proizoidet
mgnovennaya ostanovka vrasheniya.
Est' zvezdy u kotoryh est' vybrosy i oni vrashayutsya,
eto iz za togo chto vnutri zvezdy proizoshlo smeshenie,
a vozmozhno i sformirovalis' vnutri odnoi
zvezdy neskol'ko bolee melkih zvezd efira,
chto i privodit k vybrosu efira pod uglom,
chto i vrashaet zvezdu.
To chto govoryat drugie avtory - eto bylo by interesno
esli by hot' u kogo-to krome menya byla dinamicheskaya
model' dlya zvezd i galaktik.
Bez dinamicheskoi modeli - daty na sobytie - ne imeyut
smysla, tak kak mozhno analizirovat' tol'ko proshlye
sobytiya, i na osnovanii analogii mozhno - ne imeya
modeli delat' vremennye predpolozheniya.
No uchityvaya chto avtoram v fizike razresheno vse
- to matematikam, - model' fizicheskaya - dazhe ne interesna
i im do lampochki analogi, oni daty ukazyvayut proizvol'no.
Relyativisty dvizhimye paradigmoi kraine ne logichno
razdelili zvezdy, oni nahodyatsya na urovne kogda analiziruyut
vzryvy "sverh novyh" ili "novyh", i na osnovanii etogo
oni delyat zvezdy, na etom ih fiz. sposobnosti v tekushei
paradigme sootvetstvuyut maksimumu ih dostizhenii.
Nikakih dinamicheskih situacii v paradigme pridumat'
ne smogut - ibo u nih vakuum - eto pustota,
- u menya net konkurencii s relyativistami, oni ostanovilis'
na vechno i budut kolupat'sya vo vzryvah,
v dinamiku zvezd oni sebe sami zakryli dorogu.
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