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Re: Svet i prostranstvo i o skorosti sveta. 6.03.20122:40 Ciklichnost' galaktik. Chem galaktiki otlichayutsya drug ot druga. Kak proishodit- formirovanie vstrecha s drugimi galaktikami nabor kriticheskoi massy samo-nagrev razbros formirovanie i t.d. Esli posmotret' na fotografii - to oni sobstvenno osobo drug ot druga ne ochen' otlichayutsya, no na samom dele otlichii dostatochno chtoby zametit' ciklichnost' v zhizni galaktik. Chto opredelyaet dvizhenie v galaktike, dvizhenie v galaktike opredelyaet srednyaya temperatura prostranstva v galaktike, i nekotorye nyuansy po plotnosti materii v galaktike. Efir kak vozduh v turbine pylesosa nahodyas' v galaktike s raznoi plotnost'yu pri vozdeistvii na nego centrobezhnogo vozdeistviya priobretaet raznuyu plotnost'. V centre galaktiki ego plotnost' men'she, a po krayam bol'she. No est' odno bol'shoe no - chto sobstvenno proishodit v zhizni galaktiki - ona mozhet byt' v shesti temperaturnyh sostoyaniyah, 1 ustoichivo holodnaya, 2 nagrevayushayasya, 3 sbalansirovannaya, 4 peregrevayushayasya, 5 ustoichivo goryachaya 6 ostyvayushaya Vot na odinakovom rasstoyanii naprimer nablyudaem raznye galaktiki po svoei forme. Na samom dele otpravnoi tochkoi v galaktike yavlyaetsya 1 plotnost' efira, 2 kolichestvo materii, i 3 kolichestvo energii v etoi galaktike. Vot voz'mem naprimer est' galaktika, mimo nee proletaet drugaya galaktika, u nih proishodit snizhenie plotnosti efira mezhdu centrami galaktik, i mezhdu vysokimi i nizkimi plotnostyami efira v rukavah, esli takie est'. Estestvenno proletaya skvoz' drug druga v galaktikah dazhe ne bylo sluchaya chtoby dve zvezdy stolknulis' mezhdu soboi, no eto ne znachit chto ne proishodit sliyaniya zvezdnyh mass galaktik. Oni slivayutsya specificheskim vzaimodeistviem. Po prichine togo chto plotnost' zvezdy efira, vnutri zvezd sbalansirovana s vneshnei plotnost'yu efira v prostranstve, to pri priblizhenii centrov galaktik, ili drugih chastei galaktik s nizkimi plotnostyami efira, proishodit lopan'e vneshnih obolochek zvezd, pri lopan'i obolochek proishodit sbros materii ot desyati do pyatidesyati procentov, massy zvezdy. Posle sbrosa, proishodit bol'shoi vybros efira iz zvezd, na rukavah i v galaktikah etot process viden v vide rozovyh lopayushihsya zvezdnyh bul'bashek. Pri bol'shom skoplenii sosednih zvezd, poluchaetsya udarnaya volna kotoraya na krayah processa budet sbivat' davleniem vneshnyuyu obolochku so zvezd, chto budet privodit' v vzryvam v stile "Obval karkasa - super nova", po prichine togo chto kogda vneshnyuyu obolochku sduet, a zvezda efira ostanetsya na meste, obolochka potom padaet vo vnutr', i padenie proishodit s takoi siloi chto zarozhdaetsya zvezda efira i srazu efir vosstanavlivaetsya po prichine bol'shogo kolichestva energii, v svyazi s chem proishodit bol'shoi vzryv analogichnyi Krabovidnoi tumannosti, posle vzryva v centre ostalas' tol'ko isparyayushayasya zvezda efira, vosstanovlenie kotoroi postoyanno podderzhivaet usloviya dlya razleta materii ot zvezdy s kotoroi byla rezko zduta obolochka. Do teh por poka ves' efir ne vosstanovitsya i zvezda efira ne ischeznet, budet prodolzhat'sya razbros materii, posle chego materiya ostanovitsya, tak kak materiyu na stol'ko daleko razbrosalo, to eta materiya nikogda v zvezdu ne soberetsya, ona budet uvlechena drugimi zvezdami. Tak vot chto sobstvenno imeem, po razmeru zvezdy mezhdu soboi ne sil'no otlichayutsya, s moei tochki zreniya ne bolee chem plyus minus v desyat' raz po sravneniyu s Solncem. Zvezdy odinakovogo razmera pri nizkom davlenii efira zvezdy svetyat slabo, pri bol'shom svetyat sil'no. Pri narushenii balansa, zvezda lopaetsya pri snizhenii, uvelichivaet yarkost' pri plavnom uvelichenii plotnosti, i teryaet vneshnyuyu obolochku pri vneshnei udarnoi volne. A kak eto vliyaet na formu samoi galaktiki?, - Mozhno vernutsya v nachalo i posmotret' chto u galaktik v ciklichnosti mozhno vydelit' - molodost', molodost' mozhno opredelit' kak ustoichivo holodnoe sostoyanie, v etom sostoyanii ravnomernoe raspredelenie zvezd. Galaktiki razmytye. Vstrecha s drugimi galaktikami ili samouplotnenie galaktiki, pri etom proishodit plavnoe uvelichenie srednei temperatury vnutri galaktiki, s estestvennym umen'sheniem kolichestva efira v galaktike. Galaktiki s sinimi rukavami. Tak kak process vzaimnogo sblizheniya zvezd v galaktike uvelichivaetsya, poyavlyaetsya sleduyushee sostoyanie galaktiki - sbalansirovannaya, ili galaktika nabravshaya kriticheskuyu massu - na fotografiyah u etih galaktik sootnoshenie sinih zvezd i rozovyh lopayushihsya v rukavah - primerno odinakovoe. Sleduyushaya situaciya kogda galaktika v sostoyanii samo-nagreva, i yavlyaetsya peregrevayusheisya, po prichine togo chto posle vybrosa efira iz zvezd i sbrosa zvezdami bol'shogo kolichestva massy, eta massa v kosmose nachinaet nagrevat'sya, ne davaya uiti izlucheniyu zvezd iz galaktiki, chto privodit k rezkomu povysheniyu davleniya efira vnutri vsei galaktiki. Vneshne eto zheltovatogo cveta galaktiki, ili galaktiki okruzhennye kol'com gryaznyh vybrosov meshayushih ih nablyudat'. Galaktika perehodit v sleduyushee sostoyanie - ustoichivo goryachaya, i v rezul'tate bol'shogo davleniya efira proishodit razbros vsego sto est' vnutri galaktiki, efira, materii zvezd, i uskorennoe vosstanovlenie efira so zvezd efira delaet etot process grandioznym po masshtabu, chto mozhet tak razbrosat' zvezdy daleko, chto oni uzhe v etoi galaktike ne soberutsya, a prisoedinyatsya k drugoi. Estestvenno posle razbrosa zvezd na bol'shoe rasstoyanie proishodit ih ostyvanie, i zvezdy perehodyat v dostatochno ustoichivoe holodnoe sostoyanie, posle chego, razletevshayasya materiya obratno padaet na zvezdy i oni nabirayut moshnosti svecheniya, i sblizhayutsya drug s drugom, i tak process prodolzhaetsya. Ya special'no ne ukazyval na zvezdnye fotografii - po toi prichine chtoby kazhdyi zhelayushii imel vozmozhnost' vybrat' to chto emu nravitsya dlya kazhdogo sluchaya. http://www.astronet.ru/db/msg/1254896 Centr galaktiki Centavr A ----------------------- http://www.astronet.ru/db/msg/1255454 Velichestvennaya spiral'naya galaktika NGC 1232 ----------------------- http://www.astronet.ru/db/msg/1255185 NGC 253: galaktika Skul'ptor ----------------------- http://www.astronet.ru/db/msg/1255500 Licom k NGC 6946 ----------------------- http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic0615a/ http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic0905a/ http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic0910i/ http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/opo0501a/ http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic0506a/ Eshe odna fotografiya, tol'ko u menya somneniya chto eto galaktika, skorei vsego zvezda tipa SS 433 http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1992/27/image/b/format/large_web/ http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic1104a/ http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/archive/category/galax/ A rose made of galaxies Stellar Nursery in the arms of NGC 1672 Colliding galaxies make love, not war Magnetic monster NGC 1275 Flocculent spiral NGC 2841 ACS Image of NGC 5866 Hubble Mosaic of the Majestic Sombrero Galaxy The magnificent starburst galaxy Messier 82 A Poster-Size Image of the Beautiful Barred Spiral Galaxy NGC 1300 Galactic wreckage in Stephan's Quintet Barred Spiral Galaxy NGC 6217 Dramatically backlit dust lanes in NGC 7049 Holiday Wishes from the Hubble Space Telescope Largest ever galaxy portrait - stunning HD image of Pinwheel Galaxy Out of this whirl: The Whirlpool Galaxy (M51) and companion galaxy A 'wallpaper' of distant galaxies is a stunning backdrop for a runaway galaxy Hubble's newest camera takes a deep look at two merging galaxies Edge-On View of NGC 4013 A Grazing Encounter Between two Spiral Galaxies Galaxy Playing Twister Hubble views NGC 4522 Hubble snaps heavyweight of the Leo Triplet Spiral Key to Universe's Expansion Stellar fireworks are ablaze in galaxy NGC 4449 Hubble Identifies Source of Ultraviolet Light in an Old Nebula Hubble views NGC 4402 The gargantuan galaxy NGC 1132 Spectacular Hubble view of Centaurus A Doing Cartwheels to Celebrate the End of an Era Unusual Spiral NGC 4921 in the Coma Galaxy Cluster Sunny Side Up Barred Spiral Bares All Smoke Without Fire: a Different View of the Cigar Galaxy A star formation laboratory The Belly of the Cosmic Whale Perfect Spiral Overlaid with Milky Way Gems Hubble image of NGC 1073 Hubble Captures a Lucky Galaxy Alignment Star cluster surrounds wayward black hole in cannibal galaxy ESO 243-49 (unlabelled) The Calm after the Galactic Storm Stars in the Andromeda Galaxys disc Star cluster surrounds wayward black hole in cannibal galaxy ESO 243-49 (labelled) Antlia Dwarf Galaxy Peppers the Sky with Stars HST PHAT detail of M31 Centre of M31 Hubble zooms in on double nucleus in Andromeda Galaxy Hubble observes blue stars in Andromeda's core HST PHAT wide image of M31 Ground-based image of Andromeda Galaxy, M31 Ground-based image of Andromeda Galaxy, M31 Faint Galaxy with Popping Pink Features A Snapshot of Galactic Evolution

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• Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (Astronomicheskaya kartinka dnya, 4.06.2012, 2.3 KBait, otvetov: 20) Stolknetsya li odnazhdy Mlechnyi Put' so svoim bol'shim sosedom galaktikoi Andromedy? Veroyatnee vsego, da. Akkuratnoe postroenie grafikov smeshenii zvezd galaktiki M31 otnositel'no dalekih galaktik po nedavnim nablyudeniyam na kosmicheskom teleskope imeni Habbla pokazyvaet, chto centr M31 veroyatnee vsego dvizhetsya pryamo po napravleniyu k centru nashei Galaktiki. Oshibki v izmerenii tangencial'nyh skorostei dostatochno veliki, i ostaetsya bol'shaya veroyatnost' togo, chto central'nye chasti dvuh galaktik izbegut pryamogo stolknoveniya. Odnako oni sblizyatsya dostatochno dlya togo, chtoby vneshnie galo galaktik vstupili v gravitacionnoe vzaimodeistvie. Kak tol'ko eto proizoidet, galaktiki stanut gravitacionno svyazany, neskol'ko millionov let budut "tancevat'" vokrug drug druga i v konce koncov sol'yutsya v odnu ogromnuyu ellipticheskuyu galaktiku. Na segodnyashnem risunke hudozhnik izobrazil svoe predstavlenie o mire dalekogo budushego, kogda central'nye chasti obeih galaktik nachnut vzaimnoe razrushenie. Tochnoe predskazanie sud'by Mlechnogo Puti i okruzhayushih ego galaktik Mestnoi gruppy na blizhaishie gody ostanetsya osnovnoi temoi aktivnyh astronomicheskih issledovanii.

  Segodnya chastnoe lunnoe zatmenie: posmotrite nashu galereyu predydushih lunnyh zatmenii.
  

• Re: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (V. S. Tolkunov, 25.09.2012 9:15, 563 Bait) Zvezdy ne stalkivayutsya, a kakaya neobhodimost' stalkivat'sya galaktikam. U vseh narodov Mlechnyi Put' svyazyvalsya s osnovami Bytiya: Dao- put' - Sovest' vseh Mirov i Vremen, hristianskie Pokrova - naivysshii Obereg, izobrazhennyi na skol'kih ikonah v znakomom astronomicheskom vide ... Izbegaya kogda- to prinyatyh konfessional'nyh ogranichenii, nesovmestimyh s takimi global'nymi voprosami, nuzhno vernut'sya k takomu glubokomu ponimaniyu ishodya iz novyh znanii
• Re: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (E. A. Tihomirov, 28.09.2012 23:03, 281 Bait) Galaktiki ne stalkivayutsya, a soedinyayutsya. Galaktiki mogut soedinitsya tol'ko, esli prinadlezhat raznym vselennym. Zvezdy soedinyayushihsya galaktik ne stalkivayutsya, t.k. v yadrah zvezd otricatel'naya (temnaya) materiya, a koncentrirovannye sgustki etoi materii ottalkivayutsya drug ot druga.
• Re: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (A.P. Vasi, 29.09.2012 0:12, 397 Bait, otvetov: 1) Bud'te lyubezny dat' opredelenie - galaktika,
  i vselennaya, - a potom na baze etih Vashih
  opredelenii povtorite vashe utverzhdenie,
  - ibo ya i tak vizhu - paradoks v Vashih vyskazyvaniyah,
  - paradoks
  - eto nechistoty v teoriyah, kogda naprimer fizik vzyalsya za zadachu
  prevyshayushuyu ego umstvennye sposobnosti,
  no eto normal'no vse fiziki prohodyat cherez trudnye zadachi.
  
  
  
• Re[2]: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (E. A. Tihomirov, 30.09.2012 23:13, 1.4 KBait)

  Citata:

  Bud'te lyubezny dat' opredelenie - galaktika, i vselennaya, - a potom na baze etih Vashih opredelenii povtorite vashe utverzhdenie, - ibo ya i tak vizhu - paradoks v Vashih vyskazyvaniyah, - paradoks - eto nechistoty v teoriyah, kogda naprimer fizik vzyalsya za zadachu prevyshayushuyu ego umstvennye sposobnosti, no eto normal'no vse fiziki prohodyat cherez trudnye zadachi.

  Dyadya Vasi, po moemu, ty opyat' nachinaesh' hamit', smotri ne delai etogo, Yudinu skazhu, on zhivo tebya pristrunit, nash genii - paradoksov drug.
  
  No ty prav, pora dat' opredelenie vselennoi i galaktike, a to, ot tebya etogo ne dozhdesh'sya. No snachala nado dat' opredeleniya pervichnomu kosmosu.
  
  1. Pervichnyi kosmos - prostranstvo napolnennoe ravnomerno razryazhennoi otricatel'noi materiei. Plotnost' materii v pervichnom kosmose primerno 0,7 kg/ na kubokilometr.
  
  2. Vselennaya - ogranichennoe prostranstvo vnutri pervichnogo kosmosa, v kotorom otsutstvuet otricatel'naya materiya v razryazhennom sostoyanii, a nahoditsya v koncentrirovannom sostoyanii v veshestve, v yadrah zvezd, planet i sputnikov, a takzhe v drugih kosmicheskih ob'ektah.
  
  3. Galaktika - kompaktnoe zvezdnoe obrazovanie v prostranstve vselennoi, kotoroe uderzhivaetsya ot razleta gravcegalom.
  
• Re: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (A.P. Vasi, 29.09.2012 0:14, 114 Bait) Vse fiziki prohodyat cherez trudnye zadachi -
  i glavnoe ne ostat'sya v plenu paradoksov,
  ibo eto navsegda.
  
• Re: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (A.P. Vasi, 1.10.2012 0:12, 11.8 KBait) Mne kak to do lampochki kto takoi Yudin,
  i kakie u Vas s nim otnosheniya.
  Mne gravcegal ponravilsya Vash - prosto v tochku popali,
  kak raz fizike i osobenno galaktikam - gravcegala kak
  raz i ne hvatalo - eto prosto nobelevka.
  
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  A za moi opredeleniya ne perezhivaite oni est' i na Vysochaishem urovne
  
  Ya zhe sovetoval prochitat' chtoby Vy nebyli nedalekim, i ne zadavali glupyh
  voprosov v stile gde moi opredeleniya, ya zhe ne lo - shara v fizike, u menya ne tol'ko
  opredeleniya no i opyty est'.
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  Re: Svet i prostranstvo i o skorosti sveta. 12.09.201122:32 Raznoe o zvezdah

  
  

  Predpolagaemaya fizicheskaya model' efira i ustroistva zvezd.

   

   Vvedenie.

  Dannaya model' prednaznachena dlya bolee prostogo

  vospriyatiya astrofiziki, eta model' ne pretenduet

  na absolyutnuyu istinu.

   

  Model' budet vyglyadet' v vide iznachal'nogo nabora

  nekotoryh uslovnyh utverzhdenii opisyvayushih

  elementy po otdel'nosti v staticheskom vide,

  iz kotoryh budet v posledstvii sdelana dinamicheskaya model'.

   

  Sostav elementov modeli.

   

  Prostranstvo - odin iz elementov modeli obladayushii ideal'nymi

  svoistvami, i predstavlyayushee iz sebya pustoi ob'em beskonechnyi vo

  vse storony, edinica izmereniya - rasstoyaniya metr ob'ema kubometr,

  vremya sushestvovaniya - vechnoe.

   

  Efir - gazoobraznaya sreda kotoraya mozhet byt' i v zhidkom sostoyanii,

  ona zapolnyaet prostranstvo vo vsem ob'eme, gaz neitral'nyi po otnosheniyu

  k materii, obladaet vsemi svoistvami gaza, otlichaetsya

  vysokoi tekuchest'yu kotoraya v milliard raz bolee tekuchii

  chem vozduh, i edinichnaya chastica efira v milliard raz men'she molekuly

  vozduha, vremya sushestvovaniya - vechnoe.

   

  Materiya - vse prochie chasticy zapolnyayushie prostranstvo,sostoit kak

  pravilo iz atomov i molekul, i oskolkov atomov i molekul po razmeru

  ot tysyachi do milliarda raz men'she molekul vozduha, s

  efirom - materiya, ni v kakie masso-obmennye reakcii ne vstupaet ni

  v gazoobraznom ni v tverdom ni v zhidkom sostoyanii, - materiya ne mozhet stat' efirom,

  a efir ne mozhet stat' materiei - vremya sushestvovaniya - vechnoe.

   

  Osnovnye voprosy

   

  Kakaya prichina prityazheniya?

  Pochemu zvezdy goryachie?

  Kuda devaetsya teplo ot zvezd i pochemu ves' kosmos holodnyi?

   

  Efir mozhet nahoditsya v gazoobraznom i zhidkom sostoyanii,

  pri perehode iz gazoobraznogo v zhidkoe sostoyanie vydelyaetsya

  teplovaya energiya, a pri perehode iz zhidkogo sostoyaniya v

  gazoobraznoe - pogloshaetsya teplovaya energiya.

  Usloviya pri kotorom vozmozhen perehod iz gazoobraznogo

  v zhidkoe sostoyanie - bol'shoe davlenie, davlenie mogut sozdavat'

  tol'ko tela sostoyashie iz materii. Vnutri etih tel pri bol'shom davlenii

  poyavlyaetsya efir v zhidkom sostoyanii, i v svyazi s tem chto chastica efira

  men'she chasticy vodoroda v milliard raz, to efir besprepyatstvenno

  prohodit skvoz' materiyu i kondensiruetsya i perehodit v zhidkoe sostoyanie

  pri etom vydelyaetsya energiya. Vydelivshayasya energiya po faktu ukazyvaet

  na to skol'ko efira pogloshaetsya poverhnost'yu. U planet eta energiya

  opredelyaetsya po polozhitel'nomu teplovomu sal'do, eto znachit chto

  planeta vydelila bol'she tepla chem na nee popalo.

  Dvizhenie efira skvoz' tela k oblasti kondensacii, prohodya skvoz'

  tela sozdaet uvlechenie etih tel za soboi, i chem bol'shaya udel'naya

  plotnost' tel, tem s bol'shei siloi eti tela efir uvlekaet za soboi.

  Sobstvenno uvlecheniem efira tel za soboi pri dvizhenii k mestu

  kondensacii i voznikaet prityazhenie.

   

  Vnutri tela kotorogo proishodit kondensaciya efira poyavlyaetsya

  i postoyanno uvelichivaet svoyu massu - yadro efira, eto yadro

  nazyvaetsya - Zvezda Efira.

  Zvezdy vnutri kotoryh nahodyatsya zvezdy Efira - nazyvayutsya

  Zvezda Fiziki, vo mnozhestvennom Zvezdy Fizikov.

   

  Po toi prichine chto lyuboe telo obladayushee prityazheniem

  soderzhit vnutri sebya Zvezdu Efira, to poluchaetsya chto vse

  tela yavlyayutsya Zvezdami Fizikov.

   

  So vremenem planeta mozhet prevratitsya v zvezdu, po prichine

  togo chto padaet naprimer na planetu bol'she pyli iz kosmosa,

  i ona uvelichivaet svoe davlenie, chto uvelichivaet kolichestvo

  potoka efira k mestu kondensacii, chto v svoyu ochered' uvelichivaet

   kolichestvo vydelyaemoi energii.

  Takzhe so vremenem zvezda po nekotorym prichinam mozhet poteryat'

  Zvezdu Efira, i Zvezda Efira okazavshis' bez obolochki iz materii

  kotoraya uderzhivala efir v zhidkom sostoyanii.

  Zvezda Efira nachinaet isparyat'sya pri etom pogloshaya teplo, i sozdavaya

  vysokoe davlenie efira, i pri etom rastalkivaet vsyu materiyu vokrug sebya.

   

  Sobstvenno vot tak i proishodit krugovorot efira v prostranstve.

   

  V dannom sluchai vozrast zvezd ne opredelyaetsya , tochnee

  opredelenie vozrasta ne imeet znacheniya - po prichine togo

  chto lyubaya zvezda v sostoyanii sozdavat' vnutri sebya zvezdu efira,

  posle chego zvezda efira vyhodit iz zvezdy fiziki, i esli vo vremya

  vyhoda zvezdy efira, zvezda ne razrushilas', to vnutri nee srazu

  zarozhdaetsya novaya zvezda efira, i cikl povtoryaetsya.

   A vyletevshaya zvezda Efira so vremenem

  polnost'yu isparitsya.

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• >> Re: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (A.P. Vasi, 1.10.2012 0:14, 28.5 KBait) A eto pro Galaktiki ya pisal.
  
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  Flocculent spiral NGC 2841

  Re: Svet i prostranstvo i o skorosti sveta. 6.03.20122:40 Ciklichnost' galaktik. Chem galaktiki otlichayutsya drug ot druga. Kak proishodit- formirovanie vstrecha s drugimi galaktikami nabor kriticheskoi massy samo-nagrev razbros formirovanie i t.d. Esli posmotret' na fotografii - to oni sobstvenno osobo drug ot druga ne ochen' otlichayutsya, no na samom dele otlichii dostatochno chtoby zametit' ciklichnost' v zhizni galaktik. Chto opredelyaet dvizhenie v galaktike, dvizhenie v galaktike opredelyaet srednyaya temperatura prostranstva v galaktike, i nekotorye nyuansy po plotnosti materii v galaktike. Efir kak vozduh v turbine pylesosa nahodyas' v galaktike s raznoi plotnost'yu pri vozdeistvii na nego centrobezhnogo vozdeistviya priobretaet raznuyu plotnost'. V centre galaktiki ego plotnost' men'she, a po krayam bol'she. No est' odno bol'shoe no - chto sobstvenno proishodit v zhizni galaktiki - ona mozhet byt' v shesti temperaturnyh sostoyaniyah, 1 ustoichivo holodnaya, 2 nagrevayushayasya, 3 sbalansirovannaya, 4 peregrevayushayasya, 5 ustoichivo goryachaya 6 ostyvayushaya Vot na odinakovom rasstoyanii naprimer nablyudaem raznye galaktiki po svoei forme. Na samom dele otpravnoi tochkoi v galaktike yavlyaetsya 1 plotnost' efira, 2 kolichestvo materii, i 3 kolichestvo energii v etoi galaktike. Vot voz'mem naprimer est' galaktika, mimo nee proletaet drugaya galaktika, u nih proishodit snizhenie plotnosti efira mezhdu centrami galaktik, i mezhdu vysokimi i nizkimi plotnostyami efira v rukavah, esli takie est'. Estestvenno proletaya skvoz' drug druga v galaktikah dazhe ne bylo sluchaya chtoby dve zvezdy stolknulis' mezhdu soboi, no eto ne znachit chto ne proishodit sliyaniya zvezdnyh mass galaktik. Oni slivayutsya specificheskim vzaimodeistviem. Po prichine togo chto plotnost' zvezdy efira, vnutri zvezd sbalansirovana s vneshnei plotnost'yu efira v prostranstve, to pri priblizhenii centrov galaktik, ili drugih chastei galaktik s nizkimi plotnostyami efira, proishodit lopan'e vneshnih obolochek zvezd, pri lopan'i obolochek proishodit sbros materii ot desyati do pyatidesyati procentov, massy zvezdy. Posle sbrosa, proishodit bol'shoi vybros efira iz zvezd, na rukavah i v galaktikah etot process viden v vide rozovyh lopayushihsya zvezdnyh bul'bashek. Pri bol'shom skoplenii sosednih zvezd, poluchaetsya udarnaya volna kotoraya na krayah processa budet sbivat' davleniem vneshnyuyu obolochku so zvezd, chto budet privodit' v vzryvam v stile "Obval karkasa - super nova", po prichine togo chto kogda vneshnyuyu obolochku sduet, a zvezda efira ostanetsya na meste, obolochka potom padaet vo vnutr', i padenie proishodit s takoi siloi chto zarozhdaetsya zvezda efira i srazu efir vosstanavlivaetsya po prichine bol'shogo kolichestva energii, v svyazi s chem proishodit bol'shoi vzryv analogichnyi Krabovidnoi tumannosti, posle vzryva v centre ostalas' tol'ko isparyayushayasya zvezda efira, vosstanovlenie kotoroi postoyanno podderzhivaet usloviya dlya razleta materii ot zvezdy s kotoroi byla rezko zduta obolochka. Do teh por poka ves' efir ne vosstanovitsya i zvezda efira ne ischeznet, budet prodolzhat'sya razbros materii, posle chego materiya ostanovitsya, tak kak materiyu na stol'ko daleko razbrosalo, to eta materiya nikogda v zvezdu ne soberetsya, ona budet uvlechena drugimi zvezdami. Tak vot chto sobstvenno imeem, po razmeru zvezdy mezhdu soboi ne sil'no otlichayutsya, s moei tochki zreniya ne bolee chem plyus minus v desyat' raz po sravneniyu s Solncem. Zvezdy odinakovogo razmera pri nizkom davlenii efira zvezdy svetyat slabo, pri bol'shom svetyat sil'no. Pri narushenii balansa, zvezda lopaetsya pri snizhenii, uvelichivaet yarkost' pri plavnom uvelichenii plotnosti, i teryaet vneshnyuyu obolochku pri vneshnei udarnoi volne. A kak eto vliyaet na formu samoi galaktiki?, - Mozhno vernutsya v nachalo i posmotret' chto u galaktik v ciklichnosti mozhno vydelit' - molodost', molodost' mozhno opredelit' kak ustoichivo holodnoe sostoyanie, v etom sostoyanii ravnomernoe raspredelenie zvezd. Galaktiki razmytye. Vstrecha s drugimi galaktikami ili samouplotnenie galaktiki, pri etom proishodit plavnoe uvelichenie srednei temperatury vnutri galaktiki, s estestvennym umen'sheniem kolichestva efira v galaktike. Galaktiki s sinimi rukavami. Tak kak process vzaimnogo sblizheniya zvezd v galaktike uvelichivaetsya, poyavlyaetsya sleduyushee sostoyanie galaktiki - sbalansirovannaya, ili galaktika nabravshaya kriticheskuyu massu - na fotografiyah u etih galaktik sootnoshenie sinih zvezd i rozovyh lopayushihsya v rukavah - primerno odinakovoe. Sleduyushaya situaciya kogda galaktika v sostoyanii samo-nagreva, i yavlyaetsya peregrevayusheisya, po prichine togo chto posle vybrosa efira iz zvezd i sbrosa zvezdami bol'shogo kolichestva massy, eta massa v kosmose nachinaet nagrevat'sya, ne davaya uiti izlucheniyu zvezd iz galaktiki, chto privodit k rezkomu povysheniyu davleniya efira vnutri vsei galaktiki. Vneshne eto zheltovatogo cveta galaktiki, ili galaktiki okruzhennye kol'com gryaznyh vybrosov meshayushih ih nablyudat'. Galaktika perehodit v sleduyushee sostoyanie - ustoichivo goryachaya, i v rezul'tate bol'shogo davleniya efira proishodit razbros vsego sto est' vnutri galaktiki, efira, materii zvezd, i uskorennoe vosstanovlenie efira so zvezd efira delaet etot process grandioznym po masshtabu, chto mozhet tak razbrosat' zvezdy daleko, chto oni uzhe v etoi galaktike ne soberutsya, a prisoedinyatsya k drugoi. Estestvenno posle razbrosa zvezd na bol'shoe rasstoyanie proishodit ih ostyvanie, i zvezdy perehodyat v dostatochno ustoichivoe holodnoe sostoyanie, posle chego, razletevshayasya materiya obratno padaet na zvezdy i oni nabirayut moshnosti svecheniya, i sblizhayutsya drug s drugom, i tak process prodolzhaetsya. Ya special'no ne ukazyval na zvezdnye fotografii - po toi prichine chtoby kazhdyi zhelayushii imel vozmozhnost' vybrat' to chto emu nravitsya dlya kazhdogo sluchaya. http://www.astronet.ru/db/msg/1254896 Centr galaktiki Centavr A ----------------------- http://www.astronet.ru/db/msg/1255454 Velichestvennaya spiral'naya galaktika NGC 1232 ----------------------- http://www.astronet.ru/db/msg/1255185 NGC 253: galaktika Skul'ptor ----------------------- http://www.astronet.ru/db/msg/1255500 Licom k NGC 6946 ----------------------- http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic0615a/ http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic0905a/ http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic0910i/ http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/opo0501a/ http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic0506a/ Eshe odna fotografiya, tol'ko u menya somneniya chto eto galaktika, skorei vsego zvezda tipa SS 433 http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1992/27/image/b/format/large_web/ http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic1104a/ http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/archive/category/galax/ A rose made of galaxies Stellar Nursery in the arms of NGC 1672 Colliding galaxies make love, not war Magnetic monster NGC 1275 Flocculent spiral NGC 2841 ACS Image of NGC 5866 Hubble Mosaic of the Majestic Sombrero Galaxy The magnificent starburst galaxy Messier 82 A Poster-Size Image of the Beautiful Barred Spiral Galaxy NGC 1300 Galactic wreckage in Stephan's Quintet Barred Spiral Galaxy NGC 6217 Dramatically backlit dust lanes in NGC 7049 Holiday Wishes from the Hubble Space Telescope Largest ever galaxy portrait - stunning HD image of Pinwheel Galaxy Out of this whirl: The Whirlpool Galaxy (M51) and companion galaxy A 'wallpaper' of distant galaxies is a stunning backdrop for a runaway galaxy Hubble's newest camera takes a deep look at two merging galaxies Edge-On View of NGC 4013 A Grazing Encounter Between two Spiral Galaxies Galaxy Playing Twister Hubble views NGC 4522 Hubble snaps heavyweight of the Leo Triplet Spiral Key to Universe's Expansion Stellar fireworks are ablaze in galaxy NGC 4449 Hubble Identifies Source of Ultraviolet Light in an Old Nebula Hubble views NGC 4402 The gargantuan galaxy NGC 1132 Spectacular Hubble view of Centaurus A Doing Cartwheels to Celebrate the End of an Era Unusual Spiral NGC 4921 in the Coma Galaxy Cluster Sunny Side Up Barred Spiral Bares All Smoke Without Fire: a Different View of the Cigar Galaxy A star formation laboratory The Belly of the Cosmic Whale Perfect Spiral Overlaid with Milky Way Gems Hubble image of NGC 1073 Hubble Captures a Lucky Galaxy Alignment Star cluster surrounds wayward black hole in cannibal galaxy ESO 243-49 (unlabelled) The Calm after the Galactic Storm Stars in the Andromeda Galaxys disc Star cluster surrounds wayward black hole in cannibal galaxy ESO 243-49 (labelled) Antlia Dwarf Galaxy Peppers the Sky with Stars HST PHAT detail of M31 Centre of M31 Hubble zooms in on double nucleus in Andromeda Galaxy Hubble observes blue stars in Andromeda's core HST PHAT wide image of M31 Ground-based image of Andromeda Galaxy, M31 Ground-based image of Andromeda Galaxy, M31 Faint Galaxy with Popping Pink Features A Snapshot of Galactic Evolution

  Naverh

  
  
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  Re: Svet i prostranstvo i o skorosti sveta.	6.03.20123:00
  Vnimatel'no rassmatrival galaktiki i zametil dopolnitel'nye otlichitel'nye osobennosti. 1 Rassloenie galaktiki. U galaktik nablyudaetsya rassloenie vnutri galaktiki, v svyazi s chem proishodit neravnomernoe uplotnenie zvezd, i sozdaetsya situaciya kogda v centre galaktiki proishodit povyshenie temperatury v svyazi s chem sozdaetsya razryazhenie efira ------------------------------ Doing Cartwheels to Celebrate the End of an Era ------------------------------------- v svyazi s bol'shimi rasstoyaniyami efir ne mozhet byt' popolnen s okrain galaktiki, zvezdy nachinayut v centre bystree sblizhat'sya i styagivat'sya v centr galaktiki, posle chego nizkaya plotnost' efira privodit k tomu chto zvezdy nachinayut teryat' balans i uzhe ne mogut vsasyvat' efir, chto privodit k lopan'yu zvezd s posleduyushim vybrosom efira. Posle togo kak povyshaetsya davlenie efira v centre galaktiki, povyshaetsya davlenie efira, poluchaetsya situaciya v kotoroi staraya ploskost' galaktiki s vysokoi plotnost'yu efira sozdaet uprugost' gorazdo bol'shuyu po otnosheniyu k osyam, v svyazi s chem vse zvezdy povorachivayutsya po osi, i poluchaetsya vot takaya situaciya. Hubble image of NGC 1073 A Poster-Size Image of the Beautiful Barred Spiral Galaxy NGC 1300

• Re: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (A.P. Vasi, 1.10.2012 0:15, 5.1 KBait) Prodolzhenie.
  
  2 Gryazevoe kol'co.
  
  a) Galaktika men'she gryazevogo kol'ca.
  b) Galaktika bol'e gryazevogo kol'ca.
  v) Razmytie gryazevogo kol'ca.
  
  Kogda galaktika prohodit kriticheskuyu massu u ee
  zvezd nachinaetsya lopan'e zvezd s obrazovaniem
  vokrug galaktiki gryazevoi peleny,
  
  
  
  
  
  
  posle chego
  eta pelena koncentriruetsya v gryazevoe kol'co.
  
  
  
  
  Kogda vidimyi razmer galaktiki men'she gryazevogo
  kol'ca - govorit o tom chto galaktika vstupila
  v svoyu samuyu
  dinamichnuyu fazu, i u nee nachinayut izmenyatsya vse
  zvezdy vnutri kol'ca.
  
  
  
  Povyshaetsya temperatura v svyazi s chem snizhaetsya plotnost'
  efira, v svyazi s bol'shimi rasstoyaniyami efir s periferii
  ne mozhet popolnitsya, zvezdy nachinayut bystro
  samo-sblizhat'sya, chto privodit k eshe bol'shemu snizheniyu
  plotnosti efira i uvelicheniyu temperatury,
  chto privodit k potere balansa dlya formirovaniya
  "zvezdy efira" vnutri zvezd, i v svyazi s chem prakticheski
  vse zvezdy odnovremenno nachinayut vydelyat' efir.
  
  Kogda zvezdy vnutri gryazevogo kol'ca - to proishodit ili process
  bystrogo samo-sblizheniya zvezd po prichine togo chto efir s periferii
  ne mozhet popolnit' snizhenie plotnosti tak kak efir tozhe
  obladaet vyazkost'yu i massoi, i na takih bol'shih
  rasstoyaniyah popolnenie efira iz vne gorazdo men'she
  chem nuzhno dlya zvezd, i oni samo-sblizhayutsya, tem samym eshe bol'she
  snizhaetsya plotnost' efira i povyshaetsya temperatura, posle
  chego "zvezdy efira" teryayut balans vo vtoroi raz, v pervyi raz
  oni poteryali balans pri formirovanii gryazevoi peleny,
  kotoraya prevratilas' v gryazevoe kol'co. Teryaya balans po vsasyvaniyu
  efira, zvezda efira nachinaet vosstanavlivat' efir i sbrasyvat' ego
  v prostranstvo, chto proishodit prakticheski odnovremenno so vsemi
  zvezdami, i galaktika nachinaet razletat'sya.
  Poluchaetsya chto kogda galaktika men'she gryazevogo kol'ca,
  to v nei zvezdy samo-sblizhayutsya, ili rastalkivayutsya efirom.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Kogda zvezdy prakticheski odnovremenno teryayut balans i vybrasyvayut
  efir v prostranstvo sozdaetsya izbytochnoe davlenie efira,
  i zvezdy bystro razletayutsya vo vse storony,
  sperva zaletayut za gryazevoe kol'co, a potom
  
  
  i polnost'yu gryazevoe kol'co pogloshayut
  kak budto ego i ne bylo.
  
  
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  Re: Svet i prostranstvo i o skorosti sveta.	12.03.20121:16
  Zametil ocherednuyu zakonomernost'. Rukava. Esli galaktika sostoit iz yavno vidimyh dvuh rukavov, to eto rukava ot sliyaniya dvuh galaktik. Galaktiki sblizhayutsya. -------------------- http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic0206b/ ------------------ http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic0810ae/ ----------------- http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/opo9734d/ ------------------ http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic0615a/ Formiruyut obshee yadro. ------------------------ http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/opo0014a/ Yadra galaktik slivayutsya. --------------------------------- http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic1107a/ http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic0912a/ -------- Yadra dvuh galaktik slity. ---------------------------------- http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/potw1125a/ --------------------------- http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/opo1103c/

• Re[2]: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (E. A. Tihomirov, 2.10.2012 1:08, 1.2 KBait) Druzhishe dyadi Vasi, vot teper' ya ponyal, chto ty ne genii - paradoksov drug, a syn oshibok trudnyh svoih roditelei. Pomnish' li ty druzhishe, chto ty privodil na etom forume moyu rabotu "Metodologiya astronomii fiziki"? Tak vot, ty yavlyaesh'sya zhivom primerom, podtverzhdayushim polozheniya etoi raboty. Zadadimsya voprosom: otkuda vzyalas' tvoya model'? Ochevidno, chto ty ee pridumal ot nachala do konca. I pridumyvaya svoyu model', ty niskol'ko ne byl ozabochen i seichas ty ne ozabochen, hot' kak-to v minimal'noi stepeni podtverdit' ee dostovernost'. Znaesh', druzhishe, chem otlichaetsya al't ot orta, hotya i te, i drugie fantazery? Tem, chto fantaziya ortov ogranichena matematikoi i ryadom kanonov, kotorye orty sami sebe ustanovili. Fantaziya al'ta ne ogranichena nichem. Chto ty s bleskom nam prodemonstriroval.
  
  U menya net modelei i net teorii. U menya znaniya. I eti znaniya ya ne primyslil iz svoei golovy. Eti znaniya prishli ko mne v rezul'tate polucheniya informacii ot teh, kto znaet bol'she nashego i znaet dostoverno. A dovodit do nas etu informaciyu Ivan Vasil'evich Ponomarenko, sm. samlib.ru/t/tihomirow_e_a/
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  Re: Svet i prostranstvo i o skorosti sveta.	24.03.201217:59
  http://infuture.ru/article/5880 Astronomy obnaruzhili kvazary, deistvuyushie kak gravitacionnye linzy Kandidaty v gravitacionnye linzy imeyut neocenimoe znachenie dlya ocenki massy galaktik kvazarov. Astronomy, ispol'zuyushie kosmicheskii teleskop Habbl, nashli neskol'ko primerov galaktik, soderzhashih kvazary, kotorye deistvuyut kak gravitacionnye linzy, usilivaya i iskazhaya izobrazheniya galaktik. --------------------------- Go to image download page ---------------- Dannaya galaktika samaya interesnaya iz vseh, u etoi galaktiki proizoshlo sliyanie dvuh galaktik, chto povleklo za soboi rezkoe rassloenie zvezd, i u centra galaktiki zvezdy nachali bystro samo-sblizhat'sya i rezko uvelichilas' temperatura v centre, i estestvenno rezko snizilas' plotnost' efira, i zvezdy v centre ne mogut obespechit' nuzhnogo davleniya vnutri sebya chtoby uderzhat' zvezdu efira ot togo chtoby chasticy Aleksandra, ne nachali prevrashat'sya v chasticy efira. Pri vosstanovlenii chastic Aleksandra, k etim chasticam prisoedinyaetsya energiya, i chastica uvelichivaet ob'em v milliard i bolee raz, i prevrashaetsya v chasticu efira (chastica efira v milliard raz men'she chasticy (uslovnoi chasticy) vozduha), pri etom process na nekotoroe vremya stanovitsya neobratimym. Pri blizko raspolozhennyh sosednih zvezdah, rezko vosstanovivshiisya efir u sosednih zvezd delaet bokovoi rezkii gidravlicheskii udar pri etom mozhet sdut' vneshnyuyu obolochku, i zvezda efira ostanetsya pozadi a obolochka iz materii sletit. I pervonachal'noe vosstanovlenie efira nabiraet lavinoobraznyi vid, chto v rezul'tate tak daleko davleniem efira razbrosaet zvezdy, chto bol'shinstvo zvezd nikogda ne soberutsya v odnu galaktiku, oni pri ostyvanii sformiruyut mnogo nebol'shih galaktik na bol'shom udalenii drug ot druga. Osnovnaya dostoprimechatel'nost' etoi galaktiki - eto samaya dinamichnaya chast' zhizni galaktiki. To chto hotyat sdelat' katalog - to eto konechno gde-to logichno, no ne sovsem pravil'no, pravil'no u analogichnyh galaktik vesti nepreryvnuyu videozapis' v teleskop. No uchityvaya v kakom kamennom veke zhivem chto opredelyaetsya kolichestvom teleskopov v kosmose na million , etot vopros budet vryad-li kogda reshen v obozrimom budushem.

• Re: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (A.P. Vasi, 1.10.2012 0:20, 77 Bait) Vash rasskaz o galaktikah prosto smeshon, kak i Vashi statichnye
  opredeleniya.
• Re: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (A.P. Vasi, 2.10.2012 5:20, 848 Bait) Translyator nedodelannyi, tebe do moego urovnya
  evolyucionirovat' eshe paru milliardov let vmeste
  s temi upyryami s kotorymi svyaz' derzhite.
  
  Ya s pyati let radiolyubitel'stvom i shemotehnikoi
  uvlekalsya, na olimpiadah po gorodu po fizike i matematike
  ya byl shtatnym goncom.
  I u menya eshe hobbi kosmologiya ot uzh ne povezlo
  no eto sud'ba so starikami obshat'sya prihoditsya
  kotorye sebya v pensionnom vozraste vozomnili
  velikimi intellektualami.
  
  I mne prosto smeshno chto so mnoi s tem kotoryi
  kosmologiyu izuchal na protyazhenii desyati let userdnee
  lyubogo studenta, kakie-to lohoboi kotorye lohov
  razvodyat i vydayut svoi bred kak priem ot vnezemnyh
  civilizacii, mne eshe chto-to pytayutsya vparit' o svoei
  genial'nosti i znachimosti v kosmologii ne imeya
  azh nichego krome astro pontov dlya lohov.
  
• Re: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (E. A. Tihomirov, 3.10.2012 0:54, 172 Bait) Chto zhe ty rugaesh'sya, Vasi? Ty zhe sam napisal, chto tvoya model' ne pretenduet na absolyutnuyu istinu. A otnositel'nyh istin ne byvaet. Chto eto za istina, esli ona otnositel'na?
• Re: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (E. A. Tihomirov, 3.10.2012 1:10, 215 Bait) Zabyl napisat', ty, Vasi, idi k al'tam na forum www.live.cnews.ru/forum/index.php?s. Tam est' moderator Obez'yana s bananom, ona tebya budet na rukah nosit'.
• Re: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (A.P. Vasi, 3.10.2012 2:54, 235 Bait) Dlya lohoboisha, - sovety lohoboev mne ne
  interesny, u lohoboev nikogda ne
  byvaet i ne mozhet byt' po opredeleniyu
  nichego poleznogo.
  Prodolzhaite razvodit' lohov skazkami
  o prieme sverh cennyh dannyh ot inoplanetyan.
  
• Re: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (A.P. Vasi, 3.10.2012 3:03, 224 Bait) I tol'ko nedalekii mozhet ne ponimat' chto ya ne znayu
  vseh al'ternativnyh forumov ,
  za desyat' let hobbi kosmologii, ya na membrane eshe
  nablyudal i sposobstvoval otkrytiyu pervoi vetki dlya al'ternativshikov.
  
  
  
• Re: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (E. A. Tihomirov, 4.10.2012 1:29, 1.2 KBait) Vasi, druzhishe, ne rasstraivaites'. Podumaesh', Vasha kosmogonicheskaya model' okazalas' ne verna, chto iz-za etogo veshat'sya chto li? Vy s takim osterveneniem menya rugaete, chto stanovitsya dazhe smeshno. Kak budto ya uspeshnyi uchenyi, kak budto mne krichat ura i zhenshiny chepchiki brosayut, kak budto moya informaciya schitaetsya obshepriznannoi, kak budto ya nagrazhden vsemi ordenami i medalyami vseh vremen i narodov. Uveryayu Vas nichego etogo net, ne perezhivaite. Vsled mne i Ponomarenko idut ehidnye usmeshki i shutochki, nameki, chto my cheknutye, chto shizofreniki, duraki. No my spokoiny. My znaem, chto nasha informaciya vse ravno pobedit, potomu, chto ona istinna. Pust' ne srazu, pust' posle nashei smerti, pust' dazhe posle tysyachi let, no nasha informaciya prob'et sebe dorogu. My spokoino i uverenno nesem svoi krest. Nes nenavidyat obe politicheskie partii v nauke: i al'ty, i orty. Ya znayu, chto my byli by bolee uspeshny, esli by vydavali informaciyu, kotoroi my vladeem, za svoyu sobstvennuyu teoriyu. No my etogo nikogda ne sdelaem. My znaem, chto informaciya poluchena izvne. My znaem, chto dolgozhdannyi kontakt uzhe sostoyalsya i budet razvivat'sya v dal'neishem. My delimsya informaciei so vsemi zhelayushimi i ih delo prinimat' ee ili net.
• Re: Gibel' Mlechnogo Puti: nadvigayusheesya stolknovenie s galaktikoi Andromedy   (V. S. Tolkunov, 23.10.2012 8:28, 469 Bait) Mlechnyi Put' - edinstvennyi vo vsem Kosmose, deistvitel'no vosprinimaemyi neposredstvenno, kak beskonechnost'. Vse drugie (blizhaishie tumannosti, galaktiki, planety, vklyuchaya Lunu i Solnce) vidyatsya v izmenennoi, konechnoi forme (i dostupny tol'ko kak izluchenie), no pri beskonechnom uvelichenii razresheniya instrumentov nablyudeniya nashe vospriyatie budet polnost'yu poglosheno ih velichinoi