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Re: Chernaya dyra
10.05.2013 12:36 | A.P. Vasi
Otvet #46 : 14.03.2013 [00:55:54]
T.e.
ya Vas vse-taki ponyal pravil'no. Vy schitaete, chto nashi observatorii
prosto ne nuzhny. I, chto sleduet sohranit' nebol'shuyu naibolee prodvinutuyu
gruppu nablyudatelei, kotoraya budet rabotat' na zapadnyh sovremennyh
teleskopah. To, chto gruppa budet nebol'shaya - sleduet avtomatom, potomu
chto daleko ne vse smogut podat' zayavki trebuemogo urovnya, a vo-vtoryh,
dlya vseh protso elementarno ne hvatit nablyudatel'nogo vremeni - s uchetom
konkurencii s nablyudatelyami zapadnyh stran.
No, Vy neskol'ko
putaete. Nablyudateli - eto ne te, kto podaet zayavki na nablyudeniya.
Nablyudateli te - kto sami provodyat nablyudeniya. A kto zh ih pustit na
teleskopy-to. Tam est' svoi komandy specialistov. Pustyat tol'ko v tom
sluchae, esli nashi uedut tuda rabotat' navsegda (vot, kak Garmish).
I, povtoryus', a chto togda ostanetsya v nashei strane? Chlenstvo v ESO i neskol'ko astrofizmkov-perefekcionistov?
Vy mozhete beskonechno utverzhdat', chto vy menya ponyali, no ponimaniya u vas pri etom ne pribavitsya.

Ya
utverzhdayu, chto nado delat' horoshuyu nauku, a ne "kakuyu-to nauku". Kakim
sposobom - eto predmet obsuzhdeniya. Dovol'no ochevidno, chto 10-metrovyi
teleskop ne nado stavit' ni v Krymu, ni na Pastuhova, ni v Kislovodske.
Ego nado stavit' v Chili, na Gavaiah i t.d.
V principe, proshe delat' eto v ramkah mezhdunarodnogo sotrudnichestva.
krome togo, vazhno, chtoby nablyudateli pisali
zayavki i rabotali s raznymi instrumentami.
Plyus, konechno, est' vsyakie poleznye programmy, kotorye mozhno delat' i pryamo na territorii Rossii s nebol'shimi instrumentami.
Putei mnogo.
Ne
ochen' ponimayu, chto vy imeete vvidu pod slovom "perfekcionist". Esli
"delayushii horosho". to da - delayushie plohu (slabuyu) nauku ne nuzhny.\\\
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Kak po mne avtor sego teksta sovsem ne nadelen strategicheskim myshleniem,
i ne ponimaet chto est' i drugie i ne takie uspeshnye kak on.
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Otvet #47 : 14.03.2013 [00:58:55]
stuchat'sya v ESO, begaya po ministerskim koridoram za podachkoi v 100 mln evro
dlya vstupleniya tuda...
Dyk,
nam zhe eto nichego ne dast, krome poter 100 mln. evro. Nablyudatel'nogo
vremeni nam bol'she davat' ne stanut. A prodvinutaya gruppa i seichas, bez
deneg, tuda zayavki podavat' sposobna.
Koncepciya Sergeya - eto
smert' otechestvennoi astronomii, i prevrasheniya ee ostatkov v pridatok
zapadnoi. Esli zakryt' nashi observatorii, to novyh-to, luchshih, nikogda
uzhe ne poyavitsya. A poka oni zhivy, poka pytayutsya barahtat'sya, vsegda est'
shans, chto dadut den'gi na modernizaciyu teleskopov, chto pozvolit
povysit' i klass provodimyh issledovanii. A ne budut barahtat'sya,
napominat' o sebe, to den'gi na teleskopy nikto i ne dast.\\\
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A eto ya by skazal prosto adekvatnyi i normal'nyi vzglyad na situaciyu.
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Smotrel ya peredachu po diskaveri kak radioteleskop vo Francii delayut,
tak francuzy molodcy, oni za eti den'gi po mimo zarplaty poluchayut
i novye tehnologii,
i specialistov poluchayut kotorye mogut zarabatyvat'
na proizvodstve posleduyushih, grubo govorya oplacheny zatraty na opytnoe
proizvodstvo i opytnoe oborudovanie, i
posle pervogo teleskopa mozhno
zapuskat' seriinoe.
Yasnyi kon' chto vryad-li kto v zdravom ume budet
sozdavat' vysoko-kvalificirovannye rabochie mesta v drugoi
strane
za vozmozhnost' predostavleniya vremeni nablyudenii na teleskope,
ya zhe pisal chto ran'she vydelyat den'gi na kosmicheskie seriinye mini teleskopy
na orbite
Zemli - chto zadeistvuyut sobstvennye proizvodstva, i sbyt garantirovan,
hot' vremya prodavai hot' celikom.
Tak vot na pereoborudovanie observatorii v astronomicheskie
gostinicy deneg dadut
odnoznachno, ibo gosudarstvu net smysla soderzhat' ustarevshie observatorii a gostinicy
soderzhat' budet ne nuzhno, oni sami budut sebya soderzhat'
i pomimo zarabatyvaniya
deneg oni budut zanimat'sya prosvetitel'skoi deyatel'nost'yu dlya naseleniya.
I gosudarstvo po krainei mere smozhet komu-to prodat' ih s usloviem,
chtoby provodilis' astronomicheskie meropriyatiya sredi posetitelei v vide obyazatel'nyh
uslug dlya sobstvennika.
A astronomam ya dumayu do lampochki kto budet sobstvennikom,
glavnoe chtoby bylo mnogo
rabochih mest po special'nosti s horoshei zarplatoi.
Edinstvennyi minus chto ne poluchit' professorskogo zvaniya na takoi rabote,
nu zdes'
kak govoritsya nado vybirat', ili bednyi professor, ili obespechennyi lektor.
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