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Re: Chernaya dyra
28.12.2013 14:42 | A.P. Vasi
Uzhe dazhe baryshnya dogadalas' chto u relyativistov ne
fizika po suti, a golimyi porozhnyak, ne imeyushii fizicheskih
opredelenii.
Ibo kakaya-to otpiska ne yavlyaetsya fizicheskim opredeleniem yavleniya,
a to chto podobrali formulu kotoraya primerno opisyvaet fizicheskii
process, - eto ne znachit chto u etogo fizicheskogo processa poyavilis'
adekvatnye fizicheskie ob'yasneniya processov na osnovanii hotya-by desyatka
opytov v kotoryh tok v provodnike proizvodit ne tol'ko magnitnoe pole
no i proishodyat drugie fizicheskie yavleniya.
Tak eti opyty - ya znayu i ih mnogo. A esli eti opyty ne znat'
to poluchitsya - detskii lepet a ne fizicheskoe opredelenie - toka v provodnike.
Sobstvenno kogda est' na forume postoyanno meshayushii al'tam obshat'sya,
- etot relyativist kak pravilo staraetsya pokazat' svoi umnyak, na samom dele
on mozhet pokazat' tol'ko svoyu nachitannost' relyativistskim porozhnyakom.
Sobstvenno etogo relyativista nachinayushim al'tam logichno ispol'zovat' v
svoih celyah, dostatochno ego sprashivat' o razlichnyh fizicheskih sushnostyah,
i v teh otvetah gde maksimal'naya neskladushka i maksimal'nyi lepet -
to eti napravleniya logichno opredelyat' prioritetnymi.
Relyativist sam ne ponimaet fizicheskogo smysla i to chto pravil'no ili
ne pravil'no, on sebe v mosk zapisal vse bezdumno kak v zapisnuyu knizhku,
i doveryaet zapisannomu - tak uchili v sovetskih shkolah.
Al'ty podobnyh metodov obucheniya - prirodno ne vosprinimayut, ibo oni v mosk kladut
to chto proveryayut.
Tak chto relyativist ne smozhet sostavit' al'tam konkurencii.
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Re: Relyativistskoe i nerelyativistskoe (klassicheskoe) ob'yasneniya raboty kollaidera.
Otvet #71 - Segodnya :: 00:12:32
Galina
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Re: Relyativistskoe i nerelyativistskoe (klassicheskoe) ob'yasneniya raboty kollaidera.
Otvet #72 - Segodnya :: 00:39:06
77pp
\\\I? Prosto transkripciya formuly s matematicheskogo
yazyka, v koem ona i predstavlena, na yazyk estestvennyi. \\\
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Re: Relyativistskoe i nerelyativistskoe (klassicheskoe) ob'yasneniya raboty kollaidera.
Otvet #75 - Segodnya :: 12:47:44
Galina.
\\\I posle takoi transkripcii ucheniku srazu stalo yasno
i ponyatno, chto takoe amper?
Vot tak, uchas' po takim uchebnikam, s podobnymi opredeleniyami,
sposobnye ucheniki i prevrashayutsya v relyativistov.\\\
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Galina.\\\Prirode deistvitel'no naplevat' na vse vashi verovaniya,
v chastnosti, na verovaniya v invariantnost' skorosti sveta.
Ochen' mozhet byt', chto v elektron-pozitronnyh kollaiderah
obrazuyutsya proton-antiprotonnye pary.
No tri protona ne mogut obrazovat'sya iz dvuh protonov i bol'she
nichego, kak by vy sil'no eti protony ne razognali. Materiya,
molodoi chelovek, ne voznikaet iz nichego, ne voznikaet iz "energii"
i ne ischezaet bessledno.
Sovershenno ochevidno, chto v opisannoi vami yadernoi reakcii pomimo
dvuh protonov i "energii" uchastvovala eshe kakaya-to materiya.
Esli STO polagaet, chto materiya mozhet voznikat' iz "energii",
znachit eto nematerialisticheskaya, nenauchnaya teoriya.\\\
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Otvet #71 - Segodnya :: 00:12:32
Galina
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Re: Relyativistskoe i nerelyativistskoe (klassicheskoe) ob'yasneniya raboty kollaidera.
Otvet #72 - Segodnya :: 00:39:06
77pp
\\\I? Prosto transkripciya formuly s matematicheskogo
yazyka, v koem ona i predstavlena, na yazyk estestvennyi. \\\
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Re: Relyativistskoe i nerelyativistskoe (klassicheskoe) ob'yasneniya raboty kollaidera.
Otvet #75 - Segodnya :: 12:47:44
Galina.
\\\I posle takoi transkripcii ucheniku srazu stalo yasno
i ponyatno, chto takoe amper?
Vot tak, uchas' po takim uchebnikam, s podobnymi opredeleniyami,
sposobnye ucheniki i prevrashayutsya v relyativistov.\\\
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Re: Relyativistskoe i nerelyativistskoe (klassicheskoe) ob'yasneniya raboty kollaidera.
Otvet #76 - Segodnya :: 13:01:07
Drobyshev pisal(a) Segodnya :: 12:31:44:Otvet #76 - Segodnya :: 13:01:07
Bolee
togo, proton-antiprotonnye pary mogut obrazovyvat'sya v
elektron-pozitronnyh kollaiderah.Prirode gluboko naplevat' na to,
chto vy o nei voobrazili i vo chto vy uverovali.
elektron-pozitronnyh kollaiderah.Prirode gluboko naplevat' na to,
chto vy o nei voobrazili i vo chto vy uverovali.
Galina.\\\Prirode deistvitel'no naplevat' na vse vashi verovaniya,
v chastnosti, na verovaniya v invariantnost' skorosti sveta.
Ochen' mozhet byt', chto v elektron-pozitronnyh kollaiderah
obrazuyutsya proton-antiprotonnye pary.
No tri protona ne mogut obrazovat'sya iz dvuh protonov i bol'she
nichego, kak by vy sil'no eti protony ne razognali. Materiya,
molodoi chelovek, ne voznikaet iz nichego, ne voznikaet iz "energii"
i ne ischezaet bessledno.
Sovershenno ochevidno, chto v opisannoi vami yadernoi reakcii pomimo
dvuh protonov i "energii" uchastvovala eshe kakaya-to materiya.
Esli STO polagaet, chto materiya mozhet voznikat' iz "energii",
znachit eto nematerialisticheskaya, nenauchnaya teoriya.\\\
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