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Re: Chernaya dyra
2.04.2014 20:28 | A.P. Vasi
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Otvet #1050 : 31.03.2014 [16:18:19]
\\\Fakt ne byvaet v kosmologii. Fakt prosto est'.\\\
\\\Da, no
vy zhe vidite kak stroitsya TBV?
Kak
tol'ko obnaruzhivayutsya novye nablyudatel'nye dannye, ne ukladyvayushiesya v
predydushuyu model', tak tut zhe vydumyvaetsya novaya fantasticheskaya
sushnost', o kotoroi ranee voobshe ne upominalos' (naprimer, inflantonnoe
pole,temnaya energiya).
V etih usloviyah nikakih faktov, stavyashih pod somnenie TBV v principe byt' ne mozhet.
Odnako,
pod somnenie mozhet popast' OTO, kotoraya i sposobstvovala razvitiyu TBV i
v kotoruyu trudnee uzhe chto-to novoe zapihat'. Obeshali zapustit' proekt
Advanced LIGO v 2014 godu, no chto-to poka ni sluhu ni duhu. Mezhdu tem
est' vot takoe nablyudenie otsutstviya gravvoln
http://arxiv.org/abs/0805.4758 Ego mozhno schitat'
nauchnym faktom ili kak (vot zdes' interpretaciya etoi stat'i "zheltoi" pressoi
http://www.membrana.ru/particle/12649
) ?\\\
Poslednee redaktirovanie: 31.03.2014 [16:33:07] ot Rishi
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Otvet #1054 : Vchera v 18:44:38
\\\Tema vskore budet zakryta vvidu ee polnoi besperspektivnosti.\\\
\\\Vot, sovershenno - za.
Topikstarter s nauchnoi tochki zreniya nepravil'no sformuliroval temu obsuzhdeniya.
No vsem kosmologam nado pered nosom povesit'
tablichku so slovami N'yutona: "Gipotez ne izmyshlyayu".
V
fizike (esli kosmologiyu mozhno kak-to prichislit' k fizicheskoi nauke, a
ne, naprimer, k nauchnoi fantastike), konechno, bez gipotez ne oboitis',
no kogda fantaziyu pro to chto sluchilos' 13,7 mlrd. let tomu nazad,
pytayutsya predstavit' obyvatelyu chut' li ne kak nauchnyi fakt, to eto uzhe
perebor. \\\
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Otvet #1055 : Vchera v 20:44:30
\\\kogda
fantaziyu pro to chto sluchilos' 13,7 mlrd. let tomu nazad, pytayutsya
predstavit' obyvatelyu chut' li ne kak nauchnyi fakt, to eto uzhe perebor. \\\
\\\Protivnikam
Bol'shogo Vzryva tol'ko i ostaetsya povtoryat' zaklinanie: "Eto fantaziya,
eto fantaziya, eto fantaziya!.." No zaklinaniya v nashe vremya ne rabotayut! Ya
budu prosit' administratora foruma Harona srazu zhe banit' teh, kto
somnevaetsya v Teorii Bol'shogo Vzryva.\\\
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\\\ Otvet #1056 : Segodnya v 11:00:54
Citata Nezvan: Po edinichnomu nablyudeniyu uzhe nauchilis' sobirat' statistiku?\\\
\\\V original'noi stat'e
http://arxiv.org/abs/1309.2826 avtory pishut:
Uchityvaya
obilie nelinziruyushih galaktik s emissionnymi liniyami, kazhetsya
maloveroyatnym sushestvovanie dazhe odnoi sil'no linziruyushei galaktiki v
obzore CANDELS-Sized.
(Given the abundance of unlensed emission-line
galaxies it was seemingly unlikely that even one strongly lensed version
exists within a CANDELS-sized survey).\\\
\\\T.e. issleduetsya nemalaya vyborka ob'ektov, i analiz vypolnyaetsya korrektno, v ramkah sushestvuyushih statisticheskih metodov.\\\
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Otvet #1057 : Segodnya v 17:30:50
\\\Protivnikam
Bol'shogo Vzryva tol'ko i ostaetsya povtoryat' zaklinanie: "Eto fantaziya,
eto fantaziya, eto fantaziya!.." No zaklinaniya v nashe vremya ne rabotayut! Ya
budu prosit' administratora foruma Harona srazu zhe banit' teh, kto
somnevaetsya v Teorii Bol'shogo Vzryva.\\\
\\\Esli
protivniki TBV prosto treplyutsya, ne pytayas' obosnovat' svoyu tochku
zreniya, to eto mozhno otnesti k nenauke. Esli protivniki TBV pytayutsya
oformit' svoyu gipotezu v vide teorii (a dlya etogo nado obyazatel'no imet'
vozmozhno obmena mneniyami mezhdu uchenymi), to eto drugaya nauchnaya shkola i
popytka ispol'zovat' v etom sluchae administrativnyi resurs - nu eto my
uzhe gde-to prohodili: quod licet iovi non licet bovi\\\
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Vse gorazdo proshe - kogda banyat al'tov - kotorye v sostoyanii
pridumat' i
obosnovat' izmeritel'nye metodiki opirayas' na fizicheskie svoistva - to taki
da - adekvatnyh oproverzhenii uzhe ne budet.
Po toi prichine chto ya naprimer
ochen' vnimatel'no podoshel k dannomu voprosu,
i ya bolee chem uveren chto zakryl svoim avtorstvom 75% vozmozhnyh oproverzhenii
dannoi teme, i glupo dazhe ne ponimat'
togo chto kolichestvo vozmozhnyh
oproverzhenii - konechno. I esli kto-to vybral 75% samyh prostyh sluchaev,
to eti 75% zakryty, - resheny - navechno al'tami, i ih uzhe
ne pridumayut pervymi - relyativisty.
tochku zreniya nauki 
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