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Re: Chernaya dyra
10.05.2014 17:39 | A.P. Vasi
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Yarkii primer togo kogda odin dogadyvaetsya da ne mozhet
vnyatno
vyskazat' svoyu mysl'. A u vtorogo sobesednika
est' zhelanie ponyat' ibo eto emu kommercheski vygodno,
no vtoromu ne daet eto sdelat' bespoleznyi porozhnyak
postulatov
kotorye on vyzubril.
Rasskazhu primitivno.
Est' takaya situaciya - rezonans, i u rezonansa est' raznye amplitudy,
i u etih amplitud est' kratnye izmeneniya,
v svyazi s chem - zvezda
dlya planet predostavlyaet im vozmozhnost' stat' na orbity, i
orbity mogut byt' u zvezdy tol'ko na opredelenny rasstoyaniyah.
Zdes'
nado ponimat' sleduyushee chto zvezda po svoei sushnosti -
prakticheski vechnaya, a v kosmicheskom prostranstve ob'ektov razmerom
s planetu v galaktike nashego tipa letayut v kosmose v tysyachi raz
bol'she chem zvezd v etoi galaktike, i iz chego uzhe ponyatno chto
za milliony let vozle lyuboi
zvezdy v neposredstvennoi blizosti
proletit million a vozmozhno i milliard planet, v svyazi
s chem vopros postanovki na orbitu - vopros vremeni.
U avtora
temy est' estestvenno zdravaya mysl', ya sobstvenno udivlen
chto ego tak dolgo ne zabanili.
Tam u nego est' takoi koefficient, a ponimaniya net, esli by eshe
udelyali
vnimanie ne tol'ko zvezdam a i toi temperature v kotoroi nahoditsya
zvezda, i cvetu zvezdy i razmeru zvezdy, to vozmozhno oni nashli
by zakonomernost',
i ona ukazyvala by na plotnost' efira vozle
dannoi zvezdy, no do etogo im nado evolyucionirovat'.
A tak kak u nih net plotnosti efira, a v prostranstve - golimyi
porozhnyak - to ponimaniya u nih ne budet nikogda.
Takzhe ponimaniya ne budet po prichine togo chto ih mosk zagazhen
lozhnoi informaciei o tom kak poyavlyayutsya planety,
v svyazi s chem
ih moski nikogda ne dopustyat toi situacii o kotoroi ya rasskazal.
- Chernaya dyra
(I. D. Novikov, "Fizika Kosmosa", 1986,
26.03.2003 20:16, 22.4 KBait, otvetov: 659)
1. Vvedenie
2. Pole tyagoteniya nevrashayusheisya
chernoi dyry
3....
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Privet vsem!Pisala...
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tovarish Novikov
pishet...
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G.A.Zubkov"Pochemu...
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Estestvenno vopros voznikaet o edinicah...
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Chem blizhe k
centru
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G.A.ZubkovYa smotryu...
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(A.P. Vasi,
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Vy kak i vse astro...
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Nepriyatno
obshat'sya s takimi
priblatnennymi
negativistami,kak
vy....
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(A.P. Vasi,
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Ya Vam kul'turno vse vremya...
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V astronomii krizis ochen' bol'shoi...
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Prochitaite 16 otvet, i drugie...
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(A.P. Vasi,
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Vy vot dazhe ne znaete...
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(G. A. Zubkov,
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Sfera,radius
chernoi dyry-
ponyatie
uslovnoe....
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(A.P. Vasi,
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Da chut' ne zabyl...
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(A.P. Vasi,
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"(esli verit' teorii
BV)"o - Vy delaete uspehi....
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(A.P. Vasi,
1.01.2011 16:22, 1.0 KBait)
Vot yarkii primer kogda moderatory...
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(A.P. Vasi,
1.01.2011 17:59, 1.2 KBait)
""Vy polagaete...
- Re: Chernaya dyra
(A.P. Vasi,
1.01.2011 20:23, 1.4 KBait, otvetov: 1)
VibeVy polagaete, chto komp'yuter sozdavalsya bez matematicheskoi
modeli nablyudaemyh yavlenii?...
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(G. A. Zubkov,
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Vas voobshe nauka
interesuet?
Zanimaetes'
melkimi
dryazgami,vyyasneniem
otnoshenii....
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(A.P. Vasi,
1.01.2011 22:18, 1.3 KBait)
Vy uzh izvinite...
- Re: Chernaya dyra
(A.P. Vasi,
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Vot eshe nashel "Predpolozhenie...
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(G. A. Zubkov,
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Po poslednei
ssylke prochital
takoe...
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(A.P. Vasi,
3.01.2011 10:48, 2.8 KBait)
Ya ne ponimayu pochemu...
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(A.P. Vasi,
3.01.2011 11:52, 1.9 KBait, otvetov: 1)
Vy vot slishkom uzko smotrite...
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(G. A. Zubkov,
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Vychislyat'
vzaimodeistviya
mezhdu potokami
efira...
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(A.P. Vasi,
3.01.2011 17:25, 3.5 KBait, otvetov: 1)
"Vychislyat'
vzaimodeistviya
mezhdu potokami...
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Naschet elektronov
ya chital takoe...
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Utochnenie: pro
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Utochnenie: pro
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D.D....
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(A.P. Vasi,
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Vy ya smotryu nedoponimaete...
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Gravitaciya i klei-
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(A.P. Vasi,
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Mne Vashi vydumki ne interesny...
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(A.P. Vasi,
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Ya ponimayu chto mozhno doktorskuyu...
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(A.P. Vasi,
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http://www.astronomy.ru/forum/index.php/topic,79788.msg1436797.html#msg1436797Vibe prodolzhaet tupit'...
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"chem bol'she...
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Po povodu...
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Vot ob'yasnit' deistviya moderatora-gandol'era dostatochno...
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Ya-novichok. Veselo u vas, rebyata! A.P....
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chto
religioznye
fanatiki,
religiya
kotoryh
-
fizika....
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Hot' ya i uvlekayus' astronomiei...
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Nachnu...
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http://www.astronomy.ru/forum/index.php/topic,73830.msg1534675.html#msg1534675Moderatora na atroforume...
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(s. s. pogosyan,
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Uvazhaemyi L.L.L.,Sverhmassivnye...
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(A.P. Vasi,
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\davaite razberemsya s ChD kotoraya...
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Prezhde chem trepat', dorogoi gospodin Vasi, podumaite, kak otmyvat'sya-to budete....
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M.Yu.YakimovVy ili otvet'te...
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(A.P. Vasi,
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M.Yu.YakimovVy opredelites' zachem...
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(A.P. Vasi,
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http://www.astronomy.ru/forum/index.php/topic,85823.0.html\\\Dmitrii
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Tema zakryta....
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(A.P. Vasi,
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Citata: Che ot Segodnya...
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\\\Citata: Dmitrii...
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Otvet...
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Novaya situaciya na forume, uchastniki...
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(A.P. Vasi,
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Posmotrel fil'm ponravilsya, kak-by fil'm
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"vibenok"\\\Net, konechno....
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\\\Citata: lorein ot Segodnya...
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(A.P. Vasi,
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Mne zhalko smotret'...
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