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Avtor Soobshenie
O. A. Bykovskii
Strannye kamni Marsa (Spirit, Opportunity). 9.11.2007 20:18

Bolee chem strannye kamni (Spirit, Opportunity). Vse pred'yavlyaemye fotografii i panoramy tochno sootvetstvuyut originalam NASA (adres stat'i http://tonos.ru/ articles/marslife). Strannost' fotografii zaklyuchaetsya... ...
Naverh
O. A. Bykovskii
Re: Strannye kamni Marsa (Spirit, Opportunity). 1.05.2008 10:23

Izmeneniya poverhnosti Marsa vo vremya pylevoi buri. http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=11328 Sravnim pozicii marsianskih kamnei do i posle buri. Spirit Jun 23, Aug 24, 2007 ( marsianskie dni 1234 i 1294) http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1268026083&size=o Marsianskie pylevye buri yavno vliyayut na rost kamnei. Sravnivaya snimki do i posle buri horosho vidno chto kamni kak by podnyalis' nad poverhnost'yu. Zazor mezhdu kamnyami i gruntom stal na santimetr poltora bol'she. Otsyuda vyvod libo my vidim ne kamni a korally i my nablyudaem rost korallov proizoshedshii za schet obil'nogo vpityvaniya pylevoi massy vo vremya pylevoi buri. Libo pesok i pyl' vymelo ogoliv kamni na poltora santimetra. No esli eto eroziya, to eroziya sil'naya i togda udivitel'no i ne ob'yasnimo drugoe. Animaciya izmenenii. http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1268381317&size=o Vnimanie. Poziciya pri fotografirovanii raznaya. Fotografii s raznyh napravlenii i raznogo rasstoyaniya i po vysote. No, vse zhe esli prosmotret' 15 - 20 smen kadra to glaza privyknut i adaptiruyutsya k forme proizoshedshih izmenenii. Kamen' v kadre kak by nemnogo podnimaetsya ili pesok vyduvaetsya. Sledovatel'no est' kolossal'nye izmeneniya vsego za neskol'ko mesyacev (dva zemnyh mesyaca). Otsyuda nalichie bol'shoi erozii poverhnosti Marsa prosto vidno glazami. Togda vstaet vopros proishozhdeniya milliardov melkih voronok kraterov (ili pohozhih na kratery) pokryvayushih vsyu poverhnost' Marsa. Ih ne dolzhno byt'! Ved' voznikayut kratery redko, a pylevaya burya deistvuet odnovremenno na vsyu poverhnost'. Napomnyu chto bol'shie kratery Endurans i Viktoriya po okruzhnosti okruzhayut mnozhestvo melkih kraterov, primerno shtuk dvesti odin ili dva metra v diametre. Soglasno obychnoi logike, obrazovaniya kraterov ot padeniya meteoritov, bol'shie kratery voznikayut redko, no sohranyayutsya dolgo. Melkie obrazovalis' ot oskolkov krupnogo meteorita i obrazovalis' odnovremenno. Togda melkih kraterov pri takoi sil'noi erozii ne dolzhno byt' voobshe!! A nablyudaemaya statistika ih bol'shogo nalichiya i raspolozheniya melkih imenno vokrug krupnyh, govorit o ih vzaimnoi tesnoi svyazi melkih voronok s bol'shimi. Kak pautiny okruzhayushei gribnicu. Eshe raz podcherknu chto nablyudaemye melkie kratery ne mogli obrazovat'sya pri padenii oskolkov ot krupnogo meteorita. Tak kak eroziya poverhnosti Marsa ochen' sil'naya i za milliony let vse melkie kratery obyazatel'no ischezli by. Da i po fotografiyam vidno chto mnogie melkie kratery obrazovalis' sovsem nedavno. Kak by poverhnost' vzlamyvaetsya iznutri vshodami pobegami ot central'nogo tela. http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/opportunity/20080102a.html http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/opportunity/20080102a/Sol1162B_P2299_L257F_br2.jpg Tak vot imenno ishodya iz bol'shoi erozii kotoraya kak fakt est' i vidna v tom chisle i po stiraniyu sledov roverov. To odnovremennoe nalichie bol'shogo chisla melkih kraterov nesovmestimo. I imenno poetomu my sdelali vyvod o ih ne meteoritnom proishozhdenii. Melkie voronki i bol'shie eto takaya forma zhizni vrode gribnicy. Neprivychnaya dlya nashego glaza, no ponyatnaya chisto logicheski. Poskol'ku eshe raz povtoryu za god na poverhnost' vsego Marsa padaet okolo dvadcati meteoritov! A stirat'sya oni dolzhny let za sto trista, sledovatel'no svezhii krater na Marse dolzhen byt' takoi zhe redkost'yu kak i na Zemle. Melkih kraterov prosto ne dolzhno byt'! A oni est'. Sledovatel'no eto ne ot meteoritov. Uzhe odno eto dolzhno bylo nastorozhit' vseh i v tom chisle NASA, no etogo ne proishodit chto i udivitel'no. A kamni pohozhie na zemnyh zveryushek, eto dlya nashego analiza ne obyazatel'ny, prosto razvlekalochka. Takih strannyh kamnei moglo i ne byt', prosto ishodya iz mesta i sluchainosti. No raz oni est' to kazalos' by nado issledovat' hotya by iz prostogo lyubopytstva.
Naverh
O. A. Bykovskii
Re: Strannye kamni Marsa (Spirit, Opportunity). 29.05.2008 12:45

Obratim vnimanie chto krupnye voronki v polyarnyh raionah est'. Krater Heindall nahodyashiisya primerno v 20km ot mesta posadki Feniksa. Meteority kak i polozheno padayut vezde. http://planetary.org/image/PSP_008579_9020_descent_lg.jpg No vblizi Feniksa net melkih voronok razmerom s Bigl' http://a52.g.akamaitech.net/f/52/827/1d/www.space.com/images/080527-phoenix-overview-02.jpg A vokrug Endurans i Viktoriya est' Endurans http://tonos.ru/images/articles/mars/6/image029.jpg Viktoriya http://tonos.ru/images/articles/mars/6/image076.jpg Imenno ne estestvenno pricel'noe padenie melkih meteoritov vokrug krupnyh. Da i samo po sebe neestestvenno chto melkie meteority padayut vokrug kraterov Viktorii i Endurans, prichem na nekotorom udalenii, a vokrug kratera Erebus lezhashego mezhdu nimi (okolo 400m, no yavno ne zhivogo vida pri sravnenii s Endurans i Viktorii). Erebus http://tonos.ru/images/articles/mars/6/image080.jpg Bigl' http://tonos.ru/images/articles/mars/6/image079.jpg Endurans http://tonos.ru/images/articles/mars/6/image078.jpg Chto i pozvolyaet predpolozhit' chto melkie kratery ne meteoritnogo proishozhdeniya a nekie vzlomy-vyhody na poverhnost' shupalec-pobegov ot osnovnogo kratera. Skoree vsego pod poverhnost'yu Marsa vezde est' razvetvlennaya pautina marsianskoi raznovidnosti gribnic. Poetomu i nado gotovit' ne Super polet kosmonavtov geroev, kotorye vse ravno nichego ne uvidyat i ne naidut (vprochem etogo ni kto i ne ozhidaet) a issledovatel'skii rover imeyushii horoshii manipulyator dlya perevorachivaniya kamnei i ih drobleniya i geofizicheskuyu kosu dlya izucheniya pod poverhnostnoi struktury. Ssylka melkii krater i krater Viktoriya raspolozhennyi na zadnem plane. http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/opportunity/20080102a.html Na blizhnem plane fotografii bezymyannyi malyi krater s vybroshennoi iz nego porodoi vdali vidny obryvy kratera Viktoriya. Versiya obrazovaniya malogo kratera i Bol'shogo kratera Viktorii v odno i to zhe vremya nesovmestima po faktu, poskol'ku my vidim maluyu voronku na rovnoi poverhnosti a ne na vybroshennoi porode.
Naverh
O. A. Bykovskii
Re: Strannye kamni Marsa (Spirit, Opportunity). 2.08.2008 10:06

Vopros o vode i temperature k tem KTO znaet. Kak izvestno v meste posadki Feniksa seichas polyarnoe leto. Sootvetstvenno -30 i - 80 eto temperatura POVERHNOSTI nagrevaemaya solnechnym svetom. V seredine dnya (vysokoe solncestoyanie) -30 i -80 noch'yu (nizkoe solncestoyanie). Etu temperaturu mozhno opredelit' i s Zemli. Togda kak temperatura v glubine (hotya by na odin metr) po-vidimomu uzhe inaya i blizka k -125, tak kak ne zadolgo do pribytiya Feniksa v etom meste lezhal sneg iz SO2 (vprochem cherez neskol'ko mesyacev on snova poyavitsya). Na vysote rabochego stola Feniksa temperatura tozhe dolzhna byt' namnogo nizhe maks. (-24, vysokie temperatury eto tonkii sloi poverhnosti osveshennyi Solncem i imeyushii nizkoe al'bedo) eto izvestno po rabote Spirita i Opportuniti. S drugoi storony v teni pod platformoi Feniksa gde yakoby sublimiruet vodyanoi led (treshiny, morshiny) temperatura v dannoe vremya v techenii sutok dolzhna kolebat'sya ot -80 do primerno -50. 1. Temperatura na dne rva? 2. Temperatura na vysote rabochego stola (eto vysota setki gruntozabornika). 3. Temperatura v teni pod platformoi (mesto raspolozheniya Belosnezhki, voobshe govorya Belosnezhka eto ne pesok ne krupinki, a monolit i bystraya, nablyudaemaya vizual'no sublimaciya monolitnogo vodyanogo l'da pri temperature -50S eto neveroyatno!). 4. Temperatura kovsha, opor, setki i t.p. iz togo, chto izvestno. 5. Temperatura grunta popadayushego v kalorimetr. Skol'ko? Skol'ko vodyanogo para polucheno pri nagrevanii gazoanalizatora v % k masse proby?? Ili rech' idet o menee procenta? Primerno? Pri kakoi temperature proizoshlo isparenie vody i/ili byla sublimaciya? Kakova teploemkost' i ee izmenenie posle ispareniya vodyanogo para, iz togo chto voobshe izvestno??? Chto to zhe polucheno. Skol'ko fazovyh perehodov i pri kakoi temperature?? Tysyacha gradusov voobshe dostignuta?? Esli ne trudno konechno iz togo chto est' ili poyavilos' (mozhno so skidkoi na ). Spravka. http://planetary.chem.tufts.edu/Phoenix/thermal_evolved_gas_analyzer.htm Pribor Thermal Evolved Gas Analyzer (TEGA) sostoit iz dvuh instrumentov differencial'nogo skaniruyushego kalorimetra i mass-spektrometra. Differencial'nyi skaniruyushii kalorimetr pozvolyaet opredelyat' temperatury fazovyh prevrashenii i reakcii razlozheniya v obrazce. TEGA mozhet obnaruzhit' >0.2% vody po poglosheniyu tepla pri plavlenii l'da i >0.5% CaCO3 po poglosheniyu tepla pri ego razlozhenii.
Naverh
O. A. Bykovskii
Re: Strannye kamni Marsa (Spirit, Opportunity). 3.08.2008 22:11

Dopolnitel'no "Soderzhanie l'da v pochve, vozmozhno vsego 1% ot obshei massy, otmetil Bointon. " V svyazi s so skazanym Boitonom (NASA), ne yavyaetsya li zayavlenoe ranee i nedavno (ob obnaruzhenii vody na Marse) neskol'ko zauvelichenym (pravid'no govorit' o ocherednom (shestom) priznake nalichiya vody na Marse (kstati tozhe ne ploho), pervye 5 obsheiizvestny. Ne mozhet zhe byt' :angry: chto voda v kolichestve 1% sozdala pri vozdeistvii reaktivnoi struii lednik nazvanyi NASA "belosnezhkoi" a pri sublimacii nekotoroi doli ot 1% privesti k nablyudaemym izmeneniyam. http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA11000 A raznica v tom B) chto pri -10-14 S subimaciya vodyanogo l'da pri usloviyah Marsa vsezhe nablyudaemoe yavlenie. No v teni platformy temperatura skoree vsego nizhe -80 noch'yu i ne vyshe -60 a to i nizhe -70 dazhe dnem. Kak izvestno na Marse atmosfera ploho peredaet teplo, snizu pod tonkim sloem peska grunt blizkii k -125S (no opyat' zhe nam interesno skol'ko esli tochno) a sonechnogo sveta v teni net po opredeleniyu. Takim zhe obrazom "belosnezhka" sublimiruet??!! Krome togo chto eto priliplo k oporam? My pro te samye strannye kapli na oporah kotorye srazu priznali za vodu. - A teper' chto?! Vremeni ostalos' uzhe ne tak mnogo, pora nachat' issl. vse vozmozh varianty. Da i dvoe sutok vyzhidaniya dlya "prosushki" peska pri podnyatom kovshe imet tu osobennost' chto kovsh podsyhaet v holodnom sloe vozduha. Eto ne real'no dlya vodyanogo l'da (no sko'ko t C etogo sloya?). Potom kak to stranno dlya NASA ne publikovat' infu v yavnom vide a vydavat' ob'yavleniya ili zayavleniya ne sootvetstvuyushie nablyudaemomu (i voobshe nichemu ne sootvetstvuyushie).
Naverh
O. A. Bykovskii
Re: Strannye kamni Marsa (Spirit, Opportunity). 3.09.2008 5:51

Spirit, sol 1647, 1637, 1529, 1519 http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1647/2P272577262EFFAY00P2280L3M1.JPG http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1637/2P271689452EFFAY00P2278L3M1.JPG http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1529/2P262098091EFFAY00P2261L4M1.JPG http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1519/2P261212140EFFAY00P2295R2M1.JPG Brosaetsya v glaza kamni na sklone kak treugol'nye/gladkie tak i nozdrevato-koryavye te zhe samye kamni no s uchetom zasyhaniya, otmiraniya pervyh. 1.net kamnei vnizu sklonov skativshihsya tuda v vide opolznei. 2.kamni na sklonah lezhat tol'ko polnost'yu na poverhnosti (kak ovoshi na bahche) 3.smorshennye i gladkie kamni primerno odnogo razmera i formy (osobenno bol'shoe shodstvo u kamnei tol'ko nachavshih staret') 4.esli schitat' treugol'nye zatochennye kamni rezul'tatom deistviya osadkov to tem bolee dolzhny byt' na sklonah sledy erozii a vnizu sklonov smytye kamni a etogo net 5.smorshennyh kamnei men'she gladkih, a znachit srok zhizni i rosta kamnei znachitel'no bol'she vremeni gnieniya chto bolee estestvenno
Naverh
O. A. Bykovskii
Re: Strannye kamni Marsa (Spirit, Opportunity). 18.09.2008 7:14

Chto eto? Spirit den' 1361 http://www.flickr.com/photos/hortonheardawho/1826940155/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hortonheardawho/1791857787/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hortonheardawho/1828894665/ Ishodnye fotografii Spirita den' 1361 NASA http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_p1361.html Etot zhe ob'ekt v predydushie dni (shelchkom mozhno uvelichit' fotografiyu) http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_p1356.html http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_p1354.html Obratim vnimanie chto esli bukval'no vosprinimat' to chto my vidim na fotografiyah. To ob'ekt menyaetsya i trepyhaetsya ob'ekt imeet raznuyu formu v sosednih po vremeni kadrah. Ryadom lezhit otletevshaya chast' ob'ekta i to zhe trepyhaetsya. http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1354/2P246566079EFFAVQWP2408L7M1.HTML http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1354/2P246566079EFFAVQWP2408R1M1.HTML http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1354/2P246566274EFFAVQWP2408L7M1.HTML http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1354/2P246566274EFFAVQWP2408R1M1.HTML Vspomnim krolikov sfotografirovannogo Opportuniti v kratere Igl v pervye dni, oba ob'ekta imeli tot zhe cvet i peremeshalis'. http://tonos.ru/images/articles/mars/6/image038.jpg http://tonos.ru/images/articles/mars/6/image039.jpg Ili chto prolilos' zdes'? Tot zhe 1361 den' s kotorogo my nachali no uzhe Opportuniti krater Viktoriya. http://www.flickr.com/photos/hortonheardawho/1657908691/sizes/o/ Soglasimsya esli by NASA izuchala vse ob'ekty tak zhe tshatel'no kak ishet N2O to mnogoe Vprochem u nas est' glaza i fotografii, poglazeem
Naverh
O. A. Bykovskii
Re: Strannye kamni Marsa (Spirit, Opportunity). 20.09.2008 0:44

PODTVERZhDENO NALIChIE NA MARSE OB'EKTOV NEYaSNO' I TRUDNOOB'YaSNIMO' MORFOLOGII Rezul'taty obrabotki i analiza bol'shih massivov informacii, poluchennoi s pomosh'yu kamery sverhvysokogo razresheniya HiRISE zonda Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, podtverzhdayut, vo-pervyh, nalichie na Marse ob'ektov neyasnoi i trudnoob'yasnimoi morfologii i, vo-vtoryh, bol'shogo kolichestva obrazovanii s vysokim soderzhaniem zheleza, magniya i alyuminiya. Ob etom soobshaet CNews so ssylkoi na Mars Daily http://www.inauka.ru/news/article85958.html
Naverh
O. A. Bykovskii
Re: Strannye kamni Marsa (Spirit, Opportunity). 21.09.2008 10:24

Na Marse deistvitel'no imeyutsya neodnoznachnye ob'ekty so slozhnoi morfologiei. http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/PSP_009179_2305.jpg Yavno prisutstvuet nekii dinamichnyi impul's, dostatochno dinamichnyi process izmeneniya podvetrennoi chasti dyuny ili togo chto my vosprinimaem za dyunu. http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/PSP_009256_2580.jpg Soglasimsya vsyakie dinamicheskie processy na Marse eto lyubopytno. Poskol'ku dazhe vo vremya pylevoi buri dinamicheskoe vozdeistvie atmosfery nichtozhno i pri estestvennom hode veshei mozhet vyzyvat' tol'ko mikronnye napyleniya. Strannym mozhno schitat' ogromnoe raznoobrazie dyun, sravnimoe s raznoobraziem zhivotnogo mira na Zemle! http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/PSP_009159_2650.jpg http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/PSP_009138_2025.jpg http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/PSP_008968_2650.jpg http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/PSP_008860_1420.jpg http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/PSP_008641_2105.jpg http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/PSP_008208_2600.jpg http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/PSP_008767_2055.jpg http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/PSP_009130_1755.jpg 800 kbait http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA11174.jpg Feniks. Fotografii sublimacii l'da (vodyanogo?) pod platformoi Feniksa. Dve strannosti. vodyanoi led na Marse pochemu-to bystree sublimiruet v teni pri yavno bolee nizkoi temperature. Vtoroe, neobychen sam process sublimacii prohodyashii poetapno. Vnachale kak by vysyhanie vodyanogo l'da, zatem rastreskivanie obrazovavsheisya podsohshei korochki, zatem process povtoryaetsya vysyhanie novogo sloya. http://www.lyle.org/~markoff/processed/RS113EFF906276258_1D300MB.jpg http://www.lyle.org/~markoff/processed/RS113EFF906252214_1D1F6MB.jpg http://www.lyle.org/~markoff/processed/RS113EFF906252495_1D1F6MB.jpg I sudya po fotografii process sublimacii vodyanogo l'da v teni platformy prosto katastroficheski bystryi! http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/2870606820_42e0bd2aa0_b.jpg Imenno v teni gde kazalos' by temperatura nizhe.
Naverh
O. A. Bykovskii
Re: Strannye kamni Marsa (Spirit, Opportunity). 24.09.2008 13:17

Vopros na soobrazitel'nost'. Pochemu sublimaciya vodyanogo l'da proishodit v teni pod platformoi Feniksa i v teni stenok otrytyh transhei a strannym obrazom otsutstvuet v osveshennyh mestah na dne otrytyh transhei (gde kazalos' by snyat zashitnyi sloi peska i dazhe na bol'shuyu glubinu da i "vodyanoi led" nahoditsya ne v monolitnom sostoyanii a v poristom). 1. V samom dele kak v transheyah tak i v sluchae platformy sublimaciya proishodit bystree v teni. Na fotografiyah tol'ko chto otrytoi transhei s periodom 2-3 dnya kusochki nahodyasheesya imenno v teni stenki rva kak by ischezayut/isparyayutsya. ( Nizhe gif pokazyvayushii process sublimacii vodyanogo l'da. Imenno etot fakt NASA cherez vse SMI razreklamirovalo kak naglyadnoe dokazatel'stvo nalichiya mokrogo l'da na Marse (tipa chto eshe esli ne vodyanoi led). http://www.flickr.com/photos/hortonheardawho/2595572920/sizes/o/ ) 2. No v teni temperatura zavedomo nizhe chem na osveshennom solncem meste, poskol'ku na Marse kak i na Zemle istochnikom tepla yavlyaetsya solnechnoe izluchenie. A v teni solnechnoe izluchenie otsutstvuet po faktu ili ego namnogo men'she. http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_7020.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/hortonheardawho/2595404067/sizes/o/ TAK POChEMU ZhE TE ZhE SAMYE KUSOChKI VODYaNOGO L'DA LEZhAShIE NA SOLNCE NE ISPARYaYuTSYa, A NAHODYaShIESYa V TENI ISPARYaYuTSYa KATASTOFIChESKI BYSTRO?! Kak ob'yasnit' kazhusheesya protivorechie so zdravym smyslom i zakonami fiziki?! Soglasno kotorym otkrytoe dno transhei so snyatym izoliruyushim sloem suhogo peska i nahodyasheesya na otkrytom osveshennom solncem meste prosto obyazano bystro sublimirovat' led. A etogo ne proishodit. Tak v chem zhe delo? 3. Eshe strannost'. Odna iz poslednih transhei otryta na rekordnuyu glubinu 18 santimetrov chto nesomnenno glubzhe chem sdutyi pri posadke sloi pod platformoi tem ne menee vodnogo l'da ona ne obnaruzhivaet. Togda chto belelo pod dnishem pervoe vremya? A zatem tak bystro i stranno sublimirovalo ili isparilos'? http://www.flickr.com/photos/hortonheardawho/2538239087/sizes/o/ Prichem korochka vodyanogo l'da pod dnishem Feniksa sublimiruet kak-to neestestvenno chto li, poetapno sloyami kotorye pochemu-to rastreskivayutsya chto ves'ma stranno i ne nablyudaetsya pri sublimacii ne vodyanogo l'da ne suhogo. http://www.lyle.org/~markoff/processed/RS113EFF906276258_1D300MB.jpg http://www.lyle.org/~markoff/processed/RS113EFF906252214_1D1F6MB.jpg http://www.lyle.org/~markoff/processed/RS113EFF906252495_1D1F6MB.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/hortonheardawho/2819830116/sizes/o/ http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/2870606820_42e0bd2aa0_b.jpg (obratim vnimanie obrazovavsheesya yama nahoditsya v samom centre tenevoi zony!) Gipoteza. Predpolozhim sleduyushee. Esli pochva Marsa kak my schitaem molekulyarnaya biota, prichem osnovnoi napolnitel' kotoroi v polyarnyh raionah yavlyaetsya SO2 (a ne N2O) to vozmozhnost' nahozhdeniya uglekisloty pri stol' vysokih temperaturah vpolne uvyazyvaetsya s osobym sostoyaniem veshestva preobrazovannogo processami zhiznedeyatel'nosti. Tak zhe kak estestvenno schitat', chto processy zhiznedeyatel'nosti v molekulyarnoi biote v kachestve istochnika energii kak i na Zemle ispol'zuyut solnechnuyu energiyu (konechno poka neizvestnym dlya nas sposobom. Vprochem etim oblast' neizvestnogo ne ogranichivaetsya.) tak vot ishodya iz vyskazannogo predpolozheniya pochvy Marsa kak preobrazovannogo zhiznedeyatel'nost'yu veshestva, to perekrytie dostupa sveta yavlyaetsya estestvennoi prichinoi bystroi sublimacii v teni platformy (dnem vozduh izbytochno progrevaetsya vezde a izuchenie neobhodimoe dlya processov zhiznedeyatel'nosti otsutstvuet). V svoyu ochered' komochki grunta okazavshiesya v teni stenki otrytogo rva i po toi zhe prichine perekrytiya dostupa solnechnogo oblucheniya sublimiruyut tak zhe bystro kak i pod platformoi a dno transhei otkrytoe dlya solnechnogo sveta i sootvetstvenno obluchaemoe solncem ostaetsya celym i spokoino perenosit novoe sostoyanie. Prichem soglasno dannomu predpolozheniyu pochvy Marsa kak molekulyarnoi bioty, smazka fotografii traktuemaya naprimer kak raskachivanie Feniksa pri poryvah vetra (chto voobshe govorya malo veroyatno i dazhe nevozmozhno pri poryvah 5 m/s i plotnosti atmosfery 0.6% zemnoi atmosfery, a my znaem chto raskachivanie Feniksa pri 5m/ s isklyuchalos' by dazhe na Zemle a na tol'ko Marse pri ih mizernyh 0.6%!). http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/i mages/gallery/md_31039.jpg Tak vot razmazka fotografii pohozhe eto proyavlyayutsya tolchki i dvizheniya poverhnosti kak reakciya na neblagopriyatnoe vozdeistvie Feniksa (ten' neprivychnoe i neblagopriyatnoe yavlenie). A na ftografiyah s glubiny 18 sm vidno grunt vyazkii i podvizhnyi http://www.lyle.org/~markoff/processed/RS102EFF905271290_1BEF0MB.jpg Analogichnuyu reakciyu mozhno nablyudat' v meste posadki Opportuniti http://tonos.ru/images/articles/mars/6/image037.jpg Horosho vidno chto posle pribytiya platformy Opportuniti poverhnost' pod nim bukval'no skukozhilas'.
Naverh
O. A. Bykovskii
Re: Strannye kamni Marsa (Spirit, Opportunity). 30.09.2008 18:49

Dyuny. Slozhnye processy dvizheniya i povedeniya sravnimye s zhiznedeyatel'nost'yu. Dyuny hodyat stroem a zatem stroem atakuyut megadyuny kak murav'i gusenic [img]http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/PSP_008398_2570.jpg[/img] http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_008398_2570 http://hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu/PDS/EXTRAS/RDR/PSP/ORB_008300_008399/PSP_008398_2570/ PSP_008398_2570_RED.thumb.jpg Odna iz mnogih pishevyh cepochek Marsa (skaly-dyuny). Orientaciya dyun v edinuyu cepochku i zatyagivanie cepochek dyun magnitnym polem ustupov gornyh skal (dlya skal dyuny po-vidimomu yavlyayutsya prosto pishei ili toplivom. Takim obrazom my vidim libo analog konveernoi linii ugol'nogo razreza libo skotoboinyu myasokombinata) [img]http://hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu/PDS/EXTRAS/RDR/PSP/ORB_007600_007699/PSP_007676_1385/ PSP_007676_1385_RED.thumb.jpg[/img] Zatyagivanie cepochki dyuny na finishnoi stadii [img]http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/cut/PSP_007676_1385_cutb.jpg[/img] Skaly krupnym planom (uproshennaya analogiya process brosaniya uglya v topku) [img]http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/cut/PSP_007676_1385_cuta.jpg[/img] Set' pauka. Uzor napominayushii set' dorog SShA. [img]http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/PSP_007372_2475.jpg[/img] http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007372_2475 http://hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu/PDS/EXTRAS/RDR/PSP/ORB_007300_007399/PSP_007372_2475/ PSP_007372_2475_RED.thumb.jpg V dannom sluchae set' dorog pochti povsemestno dvuhkoleinaya. Bolee effektivnaya tehnologiya ispol'zovaniya veshestva i energii? [img]http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/PSP_007650_2505.jpg[/img]
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